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5/12/2017 2:29:47 PM
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Show numbers. It's already been proven by Datto with numbers that the Sleeper and Spindle down Aethon in the same amount of time... there for DPS would be the same on any boss with a giant crit spot. Stop with the #alternativefacts
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I agree, bungie acts dumb but they aren't, bunch of sick -blam!-s
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Datto also said sleeper/sniper do more damage on WP?
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Not sure why it would be different, they are both high level boss enemies. I use spindle over sleeper and do more damage than everyone in my raid group (even when they use sleeper) pretty much every time.
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You run out of spindle ammo. Once you get off all 12 sleeper shots, you still have 18 sniper shots(if you are lucky enough to have a 1000yd with casket mag and triple tap, you are doing twice the total damage as a spindle user)
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I do more damage than people that use sleeper all the time. Don't get me wrong, I'v had a sleeper since the day it was available in y2, but I've never had a situation where I dump 18 in the WP and my team does... and we don't kill him that round. When it comes to Damage per Second they are the same. I could also swap to the wrath HMG and put a couple hundred shots in him without reloading. The OP is saying it trumps the spindle, and it doesn't. Your point doesn't even say that... you are arguing the combo of two guns is better. My point is... if an entire team puts 18 spindles or 12 sleeper shots in the WP, he's dying that round regardless.
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Edited by Sherpa: 5/13/2017 12:59:42 AMIt does trump spindle in damage even datto has proven it https://youtu.be/k5Q8ixNklko Dattos description "If you don't care about the video and just want to know what the best stuff is: Sleeper/sniper for Warpriest, Spindle for Golgoroth. While many more tests could be performed to see what the best primary weapon and heavy weapon when paired with Black Spindle could be, for the most part, it doesn't REALLY end up mattering too much. I've done a lot of tests in the past that kinda show that these weapons are really the ones that you want to utilize to max out your damage. If there's enough of a demand, I can dig more into it, but generally speaking, if you want to max your damage, you're gonna be using one of these weapons. There are a lot of variables at play: what role you are performing, challenge mode or no, what weapons you have or enjoy using, on top of the fact that beyond a couple of weapons, it doesn't really matter what you choose."
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Idk, that's not what he told me on Twitter. https://twitter.com/dattosdestiny/status/850039163550277632
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Edited by Sherpa: 5/13/2017 12:57:58 AMHe's saying either or will work (obviously anything that shoots would work but you know what I mean) However sleeper does more damage. You don't need any of the "best" weapons to kill him so he's saying you could use either one and be effective
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They both burn him at that same rate of Damage per Second. The only plausible argument is that sleeper allows you to use a legendary sniper to swap to after, where spindle allows you to go with a HMG like the one from wrath or a rocket launcher... which doesn't mean the spindle is better or sleeper on their own... it's the combinations they allow. Saying sleeper trumps spindle on that point is really stretching it and wouldn't actually matter if everyone is maximizing either load out (e.g. It wouldn't make or break killing him in one phase).
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Edited by Sherpa: 5/13/2017 1:11:49 AMThat's what the OP is talking about the "sleeper loadout" (sleeper + sniper) is better for warpriest than spindle + rocket / HMG The difference in damage is roughly 150K and if the sleeper is good at reload canceling and has sniper reload gloves (especially on KF gauntlets) it'll make that difference even higher Both are just as effective but sleeper is the best for maximizing damage output potential for You asked for numbers are datto shows those numbers in the video I linked
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That's not what the OP said. His title just says it trumps black spindle and you're welcome. No details. Misleading.
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Edited by Sherpa: 5/13/2017 1:15:48 AMWell hopefully he's referring to the combo at least that's what I inferred from the post
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Since the 390 version of KF came out I use BS and Chaos Dogma and have yet to be beat in damage on warpriest regardless of there loadout. On my warlock I can hold 19 BS rounds and get off 40+ Chaos Dogma rounds before the timer runs out.Chaos Dogma's damage will be more then any sniper after you run out of heavy ammo for the sleeper.
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Oh yea, I'm not arguing anyone's point. I definitely don't doubt you play with a lot of people who suck it up with the sleeper. My point was just that the combination of sleeper and a good sniper adds up to more damage than a spindle and +95% of heavies.
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Fare enough :) I just don't like open ended blanket statements like the OP's... no detail and miss leading. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
