I'm not asking you to baby the kid. I'm not asking you to parent or teach them. hell, this isn't even actually about the kid, it's about the adults. If you never hear the kid, they never speak over the mic, you have no way of knowing, sure, so whatever. But if you're talking to them and you can tell they're a kid, as AN ADULT, you have a responsibility to behave maturely. Heck, as an adult we should even be treating other adults better. But it's not about how the kids act in ANY way, it's about how we treat them.

Your asking adults to change how they have been. That's not going to happen. While EVERYONE not just adults needs to treat each other with respect it's never going to happen. It's just one of those things. You can strive and reach for it all you want. As long as one person says no it won't happen

Or perhaps there WILL be people who make it better, and others who don't change. That's a net gain. Your perameters are the issue, and I can tell you set them that way so that no matter what, you can just say no, and then technically you win.

Did you really just try and turn this into a thing where I'm trying win. How shortsighted and immature are you. Wake up. That's the real -blam!-ing world. The real world is unfair unjust and just plain mean. The sooner you realize that the better. You posted your opinion. I gave you my opinion on said matter. That's it.

Yes, and then I responded. It's called a conversation. Humans aren't just an array of conflicting opinions and then everyone moves on. You call me shortsighted and immature, and then make the assumption that I couldn't possibly understand the real world. I was talking about your perameters, and the way you set them up. You set them up in a way that only one possibility would allow for "success" and then ensured that that possibility would be easily failed because any one person just to say no and the whole thing folds, and then sat there and continued to say no. Thus, you being on your side of this discussion, "win". And by the way, people have debates all the time, serious debates, important debates, where one side wins and the other side loses. They keep score through the whole thing, tally it up, and announce a winner. Doesn't mean the discussion wasn't valid or important. Your perameters are the thing that is shortsighted here. You haven't allowed for MANY variables to these situations. You don't account for the number of people whose perspectives will change. You don't account for the number of kids that that will effect. You don't account for the fact that a large enough number (not every single person) can still make a difference to the community. You don't account for the ability for Bungie to encourage this approach. You don't account for a bunch of other variables. All you say is, "As long as one person says no it won't happen", then you sit in that and pretend that makes it true. You say "While EVERYONE not just adults needs to treat each other with respect it's never going to happen" but guess what, there are ALREADY people who have commented and said that they like this perspective and will try to treat kids better, so it looks like it HAS already happened. If you don't want to change, sure, fine, but guess what, I will defend the idea and encourage others to treat children better than many MANY people are treating them. And who knows, maybe by the end, you'll be the last hold-out, sitting there DECIDING that the whole idea failed.

In a conversation of opinions there is no "winner". You can't win at everything somethings are not a competition. Debates are more so to get ideas flowing through minds and to get others behind those ideas. You talk about my parameters yet have no idea what I have been through. My parameters are set by life experiances I have had. I have a kid. I have to worry about him. Ain't no way in hell am I taking time away from my son, To look after someone elses. While I may not have had to beg on a street corner from being homeless. I have been close enough to know I never want that for me, my son, or anyone else I'm particularly close with. My life experiances are almost anyone will stab you in the back to get ahead. While that may not be true for everyone or even the majority. My life experiance says that's how it is for me. With my life experiances in 27 years on this earth my expectations of humans in general I wish we would get along. But I know darn well that will never happen in my lifetime. Maybe not even my son. Heck with everything I have been through I want to say it will never happen. But having a son, I want it to happen just for him. I realise it's to late for me to try and be a part of the peaceful world. Not with everything. But my son that is something different.