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4/7/2017 1:39:10 PM
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The Crusades? Yeah, they [i]started[/i] in defense, but took it way farther than the Muslims had. They went through the Middle East, slaughtering everyone in their path, regardless of innocence.
Now, of course, one could say that the Muslims would've done the same, and you'd be right. Does that justify the actions of the Christians?
The fact remains that they did it for the Bible. Yeah, it defies what's written in the Bible. You think they cared, and most Christians care now? Hell no. Just because it's in the Bible not to do doesn't mean Christians aren't going to do it.
They did it for their religion. What the Bible says about it is irrelevant.
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What the Bible says is the only thing that is relevant. If a Christian punches a woman, does that mean Christianity is about beating women? Of course not.
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Edited by Commander Tempu: 4/9/2017 8:06:51 AMMost of them could not read. They were read to and the fact remains that faith as it were was what was propagandized. Thus misleading the population into the insanity that ensued. Faith at the time was much like a country. Think about it some illiterate farmer who hears the word from the preacher who can't read is called to fight in the middle east will soak up all the negative talk about the enemy. Sounds like every typical war from the time period. The Bishops and such had the real power. Kings hated that and were constricted by the Vatican. Protecting this self image of the holy when they were no better. Just able to read.
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What the Bible says is completely relevant. The Crusades were wrong, there's no way around that. But the Bible never said to do what they did. They what they thought was right, and it wasn't. You can't say that Christianity is bad because of the Crusades and that God told them to, because he didn't.
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No, I can't, but what I can do is provide numerous examples of past historical events in which Christians did the wrong thing for what they believed god wanted them to. As for god not telling them to, that's impossible to confirm or deny. That's not worth bringing up.
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I don't agree with a lot of things early Christians did, but it's about what I do at matters. I can't tell you what was going on in their minds because I wasn't there. I understand what you are saying, but I know that Christians slaughtered before the Crusades because God commanded them to. The people they killed were even worse than them. Keep in mind that this was the Old Testament, as well.
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In the Bible God orders people to kill others. What is the difference? The Bible is just a book that glorifies bad things. I don't know how anyone can believe anything in that old book. I think it has some good moral value, such as loving others, but it has so many bad things and unprovable things, I don't know how anyone would believe it. [spoiler]oh wait yes I do. It's because you were told it was true from birth so you just believe it without critically thinking.[/spoiler]
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[quote]The Bible is just a book that glorifies bad things.[/quote] Yeah, Love, salvation, forgiveness, healing, ....... all kinds of terrible things.
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It also glorifies slavery for starters
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Glorifies being a servant. HUGE freakin difference.
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25. Submission and Slavery (Ephesians 6:5-9) 5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ This basically says slaves must me be obedient to there masters. Not servants, [b]slaves.[/b]
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But it does not promote slavery as you are trying to imply. Slavery at that time was a common thing, but it was not like the slavery you learned about in the Civil War era. These people lived under a different code. The writer was talking to people outside the Jewish faith at that time. It would serve you well to understand the historical significance of it before you try to cherry pick an out of context verse.
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Of course I'm not going to waste my time reading some stupid old book that makes no sense. The Bible allows slavery. It promotes people owning other people. That's what slavery is. And you cherry pick from the Bible all the time if you are Christian. [b][i][u]All the time.[/u][/i][/b]
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Generalize much? Then it would be in your best interest to not comment on things that you really have no knowledge actual of.
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The Bible says you can have slaves. That is the point. You can say "that is in the Old Testament." But you cherry pick from the Old Testament all the time. Slavery is definitely not the only thing horribly wrong with the Bible
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I'm not cherry picking anything. Your original assertion was that the Bible GLORIFIES slavery. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You don't know what's in it, for you're sticking to one misconception that presumably you've heard, since you "don't have time to read it". Again, that wasn't what the writer was talking about to begin with. YOu've taken it out of context and are trying to say IT'S TRUE when in fact it's talking TO the person enslaved. Believe what you want, I don't care. But trying to act like you "know things" that you clearly do not makes you appear to be just another inflammatory poster not concerned with truth, - aka your opinion is meaningless. The only thing HORRIBLY WRONG with the Bible is that you try to distort it to your own view. If you don't read it, you have no knowledge of it.
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I do know what I'm talking about. I do know that slavery is condoned in the Bible. The Bible was written and was not god's word. The names of people in the book didn't even write it. For some reason some ancient text in an old book that condones slavery is a Worldwide religion. I just don't understand how people don't see what I'm seeing in the Bible. Oh wait I do know because people cherry pick all the time.
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Go on believing what you want. It doesn't change the only fact in this transaction - You have no idea what the book you've never read says.
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Check my second reply to Pyr.
