I went and read the ToS last time someone brought this up, short story, they're not violating it.

Here's a refresher: Soliciting includes any request for donations, request for charity, offers or requests to engage in any financial transaction (including purchase or sale of goods or services), or offers or requests for barter. This prohibition is broadly interpreted to include spammed advertisements (including adbots), backlink or SEO spam, referral links, offers to help other players in Destiny in exchange for money or other compensation, and any other post intended primarily to benefit financially from the Bungie.net community. For purposes of the CoC, the term “soliciting” does not include posts asking users to check out your broadcasts, media, or content that you have created, recruiting users to join your game, clan, or subcommunity, or providing recommendations for goods and services that you like.

[quote]I went and read the ToS last time someone brought this up, short story, they're not violating it.[/quote] What does this part of the Licence Conditions mean then: [quote]You agree that you will not do, or allow, any of the following: (1) exploit this Program or any of its parts commercially;[/quote] [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/View/bungie/sla]Source[/url] Anyway, I don't want to argue about the rights or wrongs of it, it's just my opinion that people shouldn't charge money to help others in a video game.

They aren't exploiting anything though, they are just playing the game, not breaking it. Then even if you take the broadest possible definition of exploit then it also would cover any streamer or youtuber. So that is out of the question since Bungie has shown how much they love those people and if they took action against paid carries they would also [b]have[/b] to take action against the entertainers.

[quote]They aren't exploiting anything though, they are just playing the game, not breaking it.[/quote] I think exploit in this instance just means the first definition below, in which case they aren't allowed to do it. [quote]exploit verb 1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology" 2. make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand. "the company was exploiting a legal loophole"[/quote] You raise a good point about streamers/YouTubers though. I don't think you are supposed to make ad revenue on YouTube from video gameplay (last time I read the conditions) but I'm fully aware a lot of peopl do it. I wonder if Bungie turn a blind eye to it because it's so popular among the fanbase. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they clamped down on people charging for carries though. I still think the licence condition I quoted prohibits it. Edit: Here's the relevant info regarding YouTube: [quote][b]Video game and software content[/b] [b]What can I monetise?[/b] Video game content may be monetised depending on the commercial-use rights granted to you by the licences of video game publishers. Some video game publishers allow you to use all video game content for commercial use and state that in their licensing agreements. Likewise, videos showing software user interface may be monetised only if you have a contract with the publisher or you have paid a licensing fee. [b]What can't I monetise?[/b] Without the appropriate licence from the publisher, use of video game or software user interface must be minimal. Video game content may be monetised if the associated step-by-step commentary is strictly tied to the live action being shown and is of instructional or educational value. Videos simply showing a user playing a video game or the use of software for extended periods of time may not be accepted for monetisation.[/quote] [url=https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/138161?hl=en-GB]Source[/url]

I actually learned something off of the forums today lol, Thanks for the info.

I don't know where you're getting your definition of exoloit, but from what I can see, people who charge money for carries are absolutely exploiting both trials, and the community, as well as those who pay, are exploiting the carrier. Using a situation or person in an unfair or selfish way. Benefit unfairly from the work of someone else. The worst oart, is most ppl paying for this are probably kids taking their mom's credit card to pay for it. You think a 25 year old is gonna spend 90 dollars for a fake reward in a game that only cost 60. If I was taking advatage of old ppl and they gave me their money, because I offered bullshit, would it be ok with you?

You didn't read the 2nd half of the post it would seem

I did. But likes and attention are intangible goods. Currency is a tangible item. They are absolutely breaking the code of conduct not only by doing paid carries, but account recoveries. You don't have to give exploit the most general sense in definition to arrive at this without going after streamers with no actual monetary gain. I also believe it's against the psn code of conduct to give out your details to other users, as it gives them access to games they havnt paid for and other things. This as well is an exploit of the system they set up so you can play your profile on any ps4.

If that's what you think happens on youtube and twitch then everything thing else you say is meaningless cause you don't know shit

Why

I don't think any game developer has ever allowed people to make money from it by doing such things. Most games have a Terms of Service that people agree to (when purchasing/signing up) that states such things are prohibited (I think). No to mention that it's incredibly risky letting some stranger recover you account - not advised at all.