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Edited by Kone19ps:
9/23/2016 7:15:24 PM
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Nothing should be reliably below 0.8 ttk except snipers and shotguns which should retain their nerfs to balance that
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Given Destiny's mobility, ideal TTK should be closer to 0.6, than 0.8. It's obvious that primaries are simply too weak at 0.8-0.9 secs. The entire sniper meta, and now shotgun Supremacy meta lives from weak primaries. The LDR archetype still kills in 0.8 sec with 2 bodyshots. The Weyloran still kills in 0.4 with 2bs. Primaries are objectively too weak.
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/24/2016 6:04:51 AMMessenger was 0.6 thorn was 0.4. And that meta was bullshit. I have no problem competing with specials by maintaining my distance and sight lanes
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I didn't say 0.4, I said 0.6 for a reason. And we're talking about ideal TTK here, not realistic TTK. Recoil and damage drop off can easily change a 0.6 into a 1.8. Have you seen the Supremacy reveal stream? They had like 65% kill percentage with specials and melee. When people know how to play, primaries lose their worth.
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Edited by JungleofTaxemes: 9/23/2016 7:56:13 PMThey wouldn't be reliably below .8. In fact they would only be .8 or above, so I'm not sure where you got that from. HCs are .83 if you hit one headshot. You may as well remove autos from the game if you don't give them their crit back, they are worse in literally every aspect without the crit multiplier. These are .8 if you hit basically all crit, the only way that happens is if people are basically standing still or running straight at you. If they're basically standing still or running at you, they should get melted. That's how specials stop being power weapons, how primaries keep up with player speed, and people actually use cover.
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While you flinch the enemy like no tomorrow, and while having the luxury of one missed bullet meaning nothing. Remember the AR Doctrine meta some 6 months ago? We don't want to go back there.
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Sounds to me like you whiners don't want anything to kill you in this game. Self entitled shits, the lot of you.
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There's a difference between making one weapon blatantly OP to the point of being meta defining (Doctrine) and buffing all primaries. I'm in the camp that wants all primaries to be buffed. Not sure in how far this is self entitlement, but I'm sure that you might be able to explain it?
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[quote]it makes the doctrine kill in .67 with all crit.[/quote] Doctrine reliably crits. To claim otherwise is silly
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>so lower the bodyshot damage of this a bit to stop it being the only auto worth using, Try reading the whole post, and the reddit post, and it'll show you how to avoid that..?
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/23/2016 8:00:09 PMBody damage does not affect crit ttk it's already the most range and stability in its archetype
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Edited by JungleofTaxemes: 9/23/2016 8:01:45 PMCrit damage is a fixed multiple of bodyshot TTK lol. What? Crit damage currently = 1.25x bodyshot damage Crit damage when you buff = 1.5x bodyshots damage lowering bodyshot damage = lower crit damage. Lower crit damage = longer crit TTK as long as you nerf it enough to change the bodyshot damage in the formula 1.5x * bodyshot damage * shots = 200 That's kind of the whole point of the post, and the reddit post.
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/23/2016 8:02:00 PMSo what do you want the doctrine crit ttk to be. You never state then
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https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/50ntcf/state_of_auto_rifles_reintroduce_the_15_critical/?st=itg71g7e&sh=54b0c6ba https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/50ntcf/state_of_auto_rifles_reintroduce_the_15_critical/?st=itg71g7e&sh=54b0c6ba https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/50ntcf/state_of_auto_rifles_reintroduce_the_15_critical/?st=itg71g7e&sh=54b0c6ba
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/23/2016 8:04:04 PMIt's one number dude. I'm not searching for something you could answer that easily. Besides I'm in class I can't read that much and not be noticed
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Edited by JungleofTaxemes: 9/23/2016 8:06:26 PM[b]GET OFF THE INTERNET IN CLASS AND PAY ATTENTION INSTEAD OF NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO BUNGIE AND REDDIT POSTS[/b] If you nerf it 12-> 11 it's .8 crit. It needs playtesting because high ROF autos feel different to others, I deliberately left it open ended.
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/23/2016 8:09:18 PMNah I have an A and it's review. No need. By the way I see my comments as bumping your post. I haven't liked or disliked yet and I'm easily swayed with evidence. You can easily have me on your side. My briefness is out of necessity not anger or whatever. I can review Reddit later and will come back for discussion since you seem to have a good grasp on the numbers. But comments now keep you trending
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While I'm grateful for the bumping, it'd be nice if you put a little more thought into your questions lol. 'Nerfing bodyshot damage doesn't change crit TTK' is a very, very strange thing to say when the thread title is about multipliers. What did you think I was multiplying?
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Edited by Kone19ps: 9/23/2016 8:11:57 PMlol that's why I liked it. I have the leisure of not paying attention in review from my grade but have it because I was up all night writing a paper last night so only got about 3/6 cylinders pumping. I apologize
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That's fine man. But you meet some right dummies on the forums, you set me off. Sorry :P GL!
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That's ok I'm used to it I'm just glad we got to being able to talk ;) I'll grab some coffee and be back lol
