Compromise to the democrat party means the republicans have to give them everything they want. Otherwise all you hear is democrats crying about obstructionism.

Lol except Obama did bend over backwards to try and compromise with Republicans and they still didn't give in anything. You clearly don't pay attention to politics. Hell even on things that were 100% conservative ideas they didn't want just because Obama proposed then, see Obama care.

You're trying to say Obama care was 100% a conservative idea? And I'm the one not paying attention? Also please share with me when Obama bent over backwards to work with republicans.

[quote]You're trying to say Obama care was 100% a conservative idea? And I'm the one not paying attention? Also please share with me when Obama bent over backwards to work with republicans.[/quote] But Obama care WAS a gop idea... Get a bit of info before acting super smart exp on a topic that is ptetty well know to most people that live outside the "gop bubble" aka real life...

This is the new liberal talking point I guess. So when Obama care goes to shit, the left will cry it's the conservatives fault. What am I saying, of course I remember all the credit that was given to conservatives for the idea of national healthcare. Yeah I remember all those speeches Obama gave where he was praising the conservatives on how compassionate they were for coming up with such a great idea.

[quote]This is the new liberal talking point I guess. So when Obama care goes to shit, the left will cry it's the conservatives fault. What am I saying, of course I remember all the credit that was given to conservatives for the idea of national healthcare. Yeah I remember all those speeches Obama gave where he was praising the conservatives on how compassionate they were for coming up with such a great idea.[/quote] This wasn't my talking point per say but you or someone else had tried to say it wasnt...I just jumped in the conversation... And if Obama care turns to shit the gop will blame Dems... Dems will say at least we tried... When something fails it's not really any one person or one sides fault...there is always room for improvement... Another difference gop would bitch and moan that it failed even tho gop wants it to fail...and just leave it alone.. Dems and some in the gop would try and fix it to make it better...to make it work... As a famous person one said...(I don't know who) "The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good" Basically do what's best for everyone even if it's not perfect...

You assume one person knows what's best for another. Good stuff.

[quote]Get a bit of info before acting super smart exp on a topic that is ptetty well know to most people...[/quote] This is pretty good advice. I suggest you take it yourself.

Are you saying Obamacare WASN'T a gop idea???

[quote]Are you saying Obamacare WASN'T a gop idea???[/quote] I'm saying Obamacare is very different from the healthcare bill introduced by Republicans.

Different yes but that doesn't mean it wasnt built using gop ideas as its foundation or that it's completely different to the point you can't see where it started...

[quote]Different yes but that doesn't mean it wasnt built using gop ideas as its foundation or that it's completely different to the point you can't see where it started...[/quote] Chafee Bill: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770/text Obamacare: https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590 Feel free to do some light reading to educate yourself. The Chafee Bill was a Republican idea. Obamacare was Obama's idea. The two are not the same. Don't try to associate Obama's failure with the Republican healthcare bill.

The aca was based of of mitt Romneys insurance plan for his state... Which I believe was either started at or supported by the heritage foundation... Not the most liberal of places...

[quote]The aca was based of of mitt Romneys insurance plan for his state... Which I believe was either started at or supported by the heritage foundation... Not the most liberal of places...[/quote] And Democrats ended up changing it to the point where it was significantly different from Romney's insurance plan. If you end up changing something to fit your wants and needs, it becomes your idea. Just because you realize now that Obamacare is a complete failure, you try to pin it in Republicans. Nice try, kiddo. You people need to start taking responsibility for your actions.

How much was [i]really[/i] changed tho??? The base idea the "mandate" the part that makes the plan work is there...even if it was drastically changed its still at its core a Republican idea...and that's not a bad thing...

[quote]How much was [i]really[/i] changed tho??? The base idea the "mandate" the part that makes the plan work is there...even if it was drastically changed its still at its core a Republican idea...and that's not a bad thing...[/quote] I'll leave you to do your own research. It sounds like you need to brush up on both before you start discussing it. I wouldn't want to deprive you of an educational experience.

Ok... Same [spoiler] How are the laws similar State-based exchanges – Both laws create exchange authorities charged with operating health insurance marketplaces. The exchanges are internet websites where residents may compare and purchase private insurance policies that meet minimum levels of coverage. The objective of these exchanges is to drive down premium costs by increasing competition, and provide policies with similar levels of coverage for ease of comparison. Both laws also require guarantee issue, meaning consumers cannot be denied coverage due to pre-existing health conditions.Subsidies for lower-income households – While the amount of individual subsides vary, and the income levels for eligibility differ, both laws provide financial assistance to lower-income households so that health insurance is affordable. Massachusetts subsidizes private health coverage for families and individuals with incomes up to 300 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). The ACA provides subsidies for those earning up to 400 percent of the FPL. The individual and business mandates – Both laws require that individuals who can afford insurance to purchase insurance or face a financial penalty. The Massachusetts law required businesses with more than 10 employees provide health benefits to their workers or pay a $295 per employee “Fair Share” contribution. This provision was repealed in July 2013 in anticipation of the ACA business mandate. Under the ACA, businesses with 50 or more full-time employees must offer health insurance or pay a $2,000 per employee penalty, which excludes the first 30 employees. The ACA business mandate takes effect January 1, 2015. [/spoiler] Different [spoiler] How are the laws different Size and scope – The Massachusetts law applies to the 6.5 million residents of the commonwealth. The ACA covers more than 300 million people spread across 50 diverse states. Massachusetts began its reform with a rate of uninsured that was half that of the nation as a whole, and it was written to meet the unique needs of state residents. These differences led Governor Mitt Romney to oppose the ACA. While Romney’s health reform is working in Massachusetts, he believes one model cannot meet the needs of all 50 states. In addition, the ACA has a much broader scope in that it includes provisions to address healthcare provider shortages, increase wellness and nutrition programs, bolster community health centers, and adjust Medicaid and Medicare.Cost sharing for preventative services – The ACA requires insurance policies cover preventative services, such as cancer screenings, with no co-pays or deductibles. This provision is designed to promote wellness and diagnose disease in its earliest stages. The Massachusetts law allowed insurers to require co-pays for these services. Medicaid expansion – In Massachusetts, Medicaid was expanded for children, parents, pregnant women and the long-term unemployed. Under the ACA, states have the option of expanding the Medicaid program to all families and Individuals with incomes up to 138 percent* of the FPL. The District of Columbia and 25 states are currently planning to exercise this option. [/spoiler]

[quote]Ok... Same [spoiler] How are the laws similar State-based exchanges – Both laws create exchange authorities charged with operating health insurance marketplaces. The exchanges are internet websites where residents may compare and purchase private insurance policies that meet minimum levels of coverage. The objective of these exchanges is to drive down premium costs by increasing competition, and provide policies with similar levels of coverage for ease of comparison. Both laws also require guarantee issue, meaning consumers cannot be denied coverage due to pre-existing health conditions.Subsidies for lower-income households – While the amount of individual subsides vary, and the income levels for eligibility differ, both laws provide financial assistance to lower-income households so that health insurance is affordable. Massachusetts subsidizes private health coverage for families and individuals with incomes up to 300 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). The ACA provides subsidies for those earning up to 400 percent of the FPL. The individual and business mandates – Both laws require that individuals who can afford insurance to purchase insurance or face a financial penalty. The Massachusetts law required businesses with more than 10 employees provide health benefits to their workers or pay a $295 per employee “Fair Share” contribution. This provision was repealed in July 2013 in anticipation of the ACA business mandate. Under the ACA, businesses with 50 or more full-time employees must offer health insurance or pay a $2,000 per employee penalty, which excludes the first 30 employees. The ACA business mandate takes effect January 1, 2015. [/spoiler] Different [spoiler] How are the laws different Size and scope – The Massachusetts law applies to the 6.5 million residents of the commonwealth. The ACA covers more than 300 million people spread across 50 diverse states. Massachusetts began its reform with a rate of uninsured that was half that of the nation as a whole, and it was written to meet the unique needs of state residents. These differences led Governor Mitt Romney to oppose the ACA. While Romney’s health reform is working in Massachusetts, he believes one model cannot meet the needs of all 50 states. In addition, the ACA has a much broader scope in that it includes provisions to address healthcare provider shortages, increase wellness and nutrition programs, bolster community health centers, and adjust Medicaid and Medicare.Cost sharing for preventative services – The ACA requires insurance policies cover preventative services, such as cancer screenings, with no co-pays or deductibles. This provision is designed to promote wellness and diagnose disease in its earliest stages. The Massachusetts law allowed insurers to require co-pays for these services. Medicaid expansion – In Massachusetts, Medicaid was expanded for children, parents, pregnant women and the long-term unemployed. Under the ACA, states have the option of expanding the Medicaid program to all families and Individuals with incomes up to 138 percent* of the FPL. The District of Columbia and 25 states are currently planning to exercise this option. [/spoiler][/quote] I give you a "D" for effort.

Well you already seem to know so please inform me...

[quote]Well you already seem to know so please inform me...[/quote] Or you could do your own research. As much as I would love to sit here and teach you something, I'm afraid I don't have the time to do so. You're just going to have to do it yourself, I can't hold your hand.

[quote][quote]Well you already seem to know so please inform me...[/quote] Or you could do your own research. As much as I would love to sit here and teach you something, I'm afraid I don't have the time to do so. You're just going to have to do it yourself, I can't hold your hand.[/quote] So you can link two different Congress bills to "prove" your point but not this??? Why is that??? I'm starting to think you don't really know... Show me I'm wrong...

[quote][quote][quote]Well you already seem to know so please inform me...[/quote] Or you could do your own research. As much as I would love to sit here and teach you something, I'm afraid I don't have the time to do so. You're just going to have to do it yourself, I can't hold your hand.[/quote] So you can link two different Congress bills to "prove" your point but not this??? Why is that??? I'm starting to think you don't really know... Show me I'm wrong...[/quote] You do realize I gave you a D for effort because you picked a single website that gave you all the answers. Like I said, I don't have the time to cater to your incompetence. I'm at a wedding this weekend, so if you want to learn something, you can do the research yourself. Stop letting your inner liberal show, and start putting in the work yourself.

Haha my inner liberal...that funny... I'm really not super liberal...and asking you what the difference between the aca and what mitt did isnt being a liberal...it's wanting more information... And that's fine enjoy the wedding...have a good weekend...

[quote]Haha my inner liberal...that funny... I'm really not super liberal...and asking you what the difference between the aca and what mitt did isnt being a liberal...it's wanting more information... And that's fine enjoy the wedding...have a good weekend...[/quote] And if you want more information, you can find it yourself. =)