Fair points made. I will attempt to respond as best I can. [quote]A Council like this Can't and Won't provide Threads in the good for the Game or the Community in the Long run. Why? Because it is not possible that you Please Everyone in the Council or the Community. That means that maybe a simple Change will be discussed for days/weeks/months with back and forward over and over again.[/quote] The next topic for discussion is actually going to be focusing on this matter, so I'm glad you brought it up. You are correct that its not possible to please everyone, in fact some people will disagree and argue just for the sheer sake of being confrontational. Some don't even really have a reason. The real problem here is that discussions and debates lack any sort of sensible structure. One of the goals for the Council is to establish an actual system for doing just that. Beating around the bush and other such ridiculous behavior should never have to be tolerated, especially in a situation where progress is trying to be made and you end up having some disgruntled people looking to throw a wrench in the gears. As it stands now, this forum is basically like the wild west. People pretty much do and say whatever because they know they can get away with it. The Community needs to be able to converse and conduct legitimate debates in a sanctioned venue. That will VASTLY improve the current situation around here and for feedback in general. [quote]And at the same time you will find a random post about the same topic that will get the attention, befor the Council decides if they will provide the Feedback/Changes to Bungie.[/quote] The Council doesn't get to decide anything. They simply do as told by the Community. The reason for why propositions need to be formatted is for the Council to keep track of "duplicate" feedback posts as well, to avoid having a situation where you got like 5-20 similar posts about the same thing. Another thing that can be done with this would be for the Council to conduct weekly [b]Assembly Meetings[/b] where they go through and each week (or every other week) take one submitted proposition at a time (Based on demand) and present it to the Community for debate/discussion. Then at the end of the debate period for it, a conclusion is made and if the Community approves it, the Council proceeds to take it to Bungie for further discussion and possible implementation. The results of said discussion will then be given back to the Community to take it from there. [quote]Another huge point why this would be terrible is the fact that You Can't decide what I like or don't like. You can't decide what Anyone in the Community likes or don't likes.[/quote] That happens on a regular basis for just about everything in life. How many people do you think were offended by Hand Cannons getting nerfed? Or Shotguns? Or Fusion Rifles? Literally any kind of nerf. Meanwhile, you see various feedback posts from people who demand such to happen. We are always having to deal with the consequences of what others decide. We do it ourselves, even if you don't think you do. Every action has a reaction. Every cause has an effect. Its a Universal Truth. So to deny the Council just because you don't want others supposedly representing you is rather...pointless? I mean, that ship has long since sailed before any of us were even born. However, what we CAN try and do is try our best to create a system which is at least "fair" and "equal" to all who choose to participate in it. Your opinions should and do matter, you are totally entitled to having one. But literally EVERYONE has an opinion. Like you said, its impossible to please the whole world. So instead, we do the best that we can. Any and all decisions should always be made logically and rationally. [quote]And It Is Bungies Game[/quote] Which means they should care about what their players have to say and be more than welcome to an idea like this which only stands to benefit them just as much as it would the Community. There is nothing wrong with a developer being more inclusive of their playerbase, in fact some of the greatest games of all times were only great in the first place BECAUSE they put the Gamers first. [quote]Can you to 100% Garantie not to act trough Emotions and to 100% not on your own?[/quote] I do it all the time. Its called being mature and acting rationally. If someone can't do that then they have no right to be on the Council. Its as simple as that. And the Community reserves the right to remove such kinds of people if they can't handle the job that they signed up for. Discipline and Self-Control are important qualities for anyone to have. [quote]How can you expect that this Council would work when only a couple of you have the pleasure and rights to talk to Bungie Devs for Us All? For the Community[/quote] Not me, I've already said multiple times that I have no desire to be on the Council. Ever. It wouldn't be right for me to propose something like this and likewise expect to try and be on it as well. And the Council has no freedom, it can only convey the wishes and words of the Communtiy. Those on the Council are restricted from giving personal opinions or getting involved in debates/discussions for propositions. Also, which do you expect to work better: Millions of people pushing each other around, screaming over one another and talking all at the same exact time? Or a small group of individuals who are basically just there to present the feedback of others in a structured, non-hostile environment? [quote]And btw Bungie net and Reddit is just a small Portion of the Community[/quote] Who cares? I'll say again, one single, totally random nameless person can write a single post which can potentially impact MILLIONS of people who didn't even know said post existed. There are two types of people: Those who care and those who don't. The majority of those playing Destiny "don't care" to bother with the forums, regardless of whether or not they approve or disapprove of things with the game or the company itself. You and me are different, we DO care and as such here we are, speaking right now with each other. Do you think Bungie stops and waits to make any kind of decision so that they can get feedback from every single person in the world who plays their game? No, they don't. That isn't how feedback works. There is an actual science to feedback in which even though we are a smaller group by comparison to the greater whole, we all act as the test sample to acquire data from. If they make a decision and see 1,000+ people on here agreeing how horrible it was, then its a safe bet that the vast majority of other players in the world NOT on the forums likely feel the same way. That's how Data Analysis works. [quote]The Bungie net needs fine tuning when it comes to post and Cozmo would need one or two more Community Manager Assistents to check the posts faster to Filter what is a real issue in the game right now and what not.[/quote] Take a moment to re-read what you said here. You are essentially saying that you're alright with 1-3 individuals getting to dictate what should or shouldn't be considered a real issue. Individuals who are on the payroll of a company which seems to do nothing but make one terrible mistake after another. A company that has exhibited an "attitude" whereby several times now remarks have been made in which they claim to know what you want better than you yourself. "Don't like a decision? Too bad, because we say that you actually agree with us." Even if you're sitting there with a sign up saying "NO" along with a crowd of people behind you likewise saying "NO." I don't know about you, but I would rather much prefer the Community get to decide for themselves what is or isn't a problem that needs to be addressed.