The idea of a "guardian council" being comprised by ANY of the outspoken members of these forums is just ridiculous.
The vast majority of actual players don't participate in these forums, and the vast majority of who participate in these forums don't even play this game - see where I'm going with this?
However I do find it hilarious that I'm starting to see them change the narrative of their posts from toxic to constructive in a vain attempt to appear as an upstanding member of the community. Political posturing at its finest.
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What's even funnier is those "political posturers" have a fan club that follows them around. Almost as if those fans have a vested interest in destiny and bungie. Trying so hard to defend something that shouldn't need defending.
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That sounds more like a personal problem, no offense. Also, [quote]The vast majority of actual players don't participate in these forums, and the vast majority of who participate in these forums don't even play this game - see where I'm going with this?[/quote] Not really, there is a very serious flaw in your logic. According to this, no one here should be giving feedback of any kind then because they don't represent the "majority of actual players" as you put it. Which is nonsense. Those that are vocal are the type of people who care enough to get on the forums to post feedback. That's all. But by sheer virtue of its very nature, even a single Feedback post can potentially impact the game for millions. There would literally be no difference from how things currently are in that respect. So what exactly was the point you were trying to make? Oh, right, this was more about you just wanting to rant about how I'm some horrible person. Apologies. Carry on~
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[quote]That sounds more like a personal problem, no offense.[/quote] To you every one that don't agree has a personal problem. [quote]Also, [quote]The vast majority of actual players don't participate in these forums, and the vast majority of who participate in these forums don't even play this game - see where I'm going with this?[/quote] Not really, there is a very serious flaw in your logic. According to this, no one here should be giving feedback of any kind then because they don't represent the "majority of actual players" as you put it. Which is nonsense.[/quote] You missed his point. YOU want the GC to be seen as THE VOICE OF ALL. That's the GC is speaking for EVERY ONE, unless they come here to disagree with what it wants. It's like holding a vote on taxes WITH OUT TELLING ANY ONE A VOTE IS HAPPENING, and any one who does not show up is counted as a yes vote. See the flaw. Right now, people post feedback (weather you believe it or not) bungie looks at it and takes it into account with other info they have. Then bungie makes a choice THEY (bungie) feels is the right move. [quote]Those that are vocal are the type of people who care enough to get on the forums to post feedback. That's all. But by sheer virtue of its very nature, even a single Feedback post can potentially impact the game for millions. There would literally be no difference from how things currently are in that respect. So what exactly was the point you were trying to make?[/quote] Exactly why BUNGIE should make the choice in what's done. Not 10 people hounding them over and over till they "just give in". [quote]Oh, right, this was more about you just wanting to rant about how I'm some horrible person. Apologies. Carry on~[/quote][/quote] Your whole tone has chanced from toxic to "act friendly". Your original stance was "boycott", "shut them down", "they butchered the story and should pay for it". When that failed you went to plan B (take over by force). Bottom line MILLIONS play every day. Very few come here. Why? They like it, don't feel the need to, or just don't care. WE (this forum) are only a small sample of the player base. If things were as bad as you clam THE GAME WOULD HAVE ALREADY FAILED. if you don't like coke, then drink pepsi. Don't try and feed coke a line of BS to change it to what "you think it should be".
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I posted the Guardian Council idea over a year ago for the same exact reasons as I am now. The message I've been making has always been the same one from the very beginning; [b]"Change needs to happen."[/b] If you agree with those sentiments, I shouldn't have to explain anything else to you. If its a case of you do agree but just think its pointless? Then you go do you and I'll keep doing me. Or if the truth of the matter is that you agree but don't want to actually lift a finger to help or commit to doing anything about it, then stop being lazy and show just how serious you are about wanting changes, rather than expecting others to do all the work for you. Its Cause and Effect. Change requires Action. [b]Effort. Resolve. Determination.[/b] Is it stressful? Yes. Is it hard work? Yes. Will some hate you for it? Most likely. We do what we can. That's all anyone can do. Its that simple. What you fail to realize is what the Council itself symbolizes. You spend so much time criticizing, you can't see anything else beyond the scope of your own paranoia and pessimism. That's truly disappointing. [quote]To you every one that don't agree has a personal problem.[/quote] If thinking that makes you feel better? Whatever floats your boat, I guess. [quote]You missed his point.[/quote] No, his point was easy enough to understand. However, the point I made appears to have gone over your head, though. I would offer to try and resolve your confusion, but [i]"simple is better"[/i] as you like to say, so I'll just leave it at that. Enjoy the song. ^_^ Oh, and by the way, its worth pointing out to you that millions of people are "registered" which is a far cry from actually "playing" which Activision likes to keep using so as to dodge the real questions. Believe it or not, I'm still being factored into those statistics because of this account. Yeah, THAT is what that means. You can clearly see I no longer play the game, yet I'm still being used by them. The reality of the situation, whether YOU want to believe it or not, is that yes...many people have quit the game. Yes, many people are continuously leaving the game and not bothering to come back for a variety of reasons. And this? [quote]if you don't like coke, then drink pepsi.[/quote] This isn't helping you or them. Because right now? The people who be getting sick of Coke are indeed drinking Pepsi instead, and loving it. Bungie put out a survey asking people why they quit for a reason. In case you're new to this whole gaming thing, you would know that a developer doing something like that is not normal, by any stretch of the imagination. People go from having friend lists filled with people playing Destiny, and now complain that no one touches it anymore. Even when TTK came out, not very many returned and for those who did it was lived short. And this is 2 years in, dude. That's bad. That's terribad. That's like... Get Gordon Ramsey up in Bungie Studio levels of bad. And what does Gordon always tell the restaurant owners? [b]"The Customer is always right." "Hold yourself to higher expectations." "Embrace Change."[/b]
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Lol YOU are a prime example of my point. YOU haven't even played TTK but feel you are well positioned to be a leading voice in giving feedback. Also your recent change in demeanor is quite comical, but it's super cute to see the transformation. Fact of the matter is this: There will NEVER be a guardian council. No company would ever establish a system that would create a hierarchy within their own customer base, period. The current feedback system leaves us all EQUAL which is how it should be.
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[quote]Lol YOU are a prime example of my point. YOU haven't even played TTK but feel you are well positioned to be a leading voice in giving feedback.[/quote] Get over it? O_o Also, where the hell did this notion of me being a leading anything come from? I make a post, people agree or disagree with it. Period. Jesus Christ man... Is it the hat? Its gotta be the hat... [quote]Also your recent change in demeanor is quite comical, but it's super cute to see the transformation.[/quote] What change? The only difference here is that I'm trying to take this whole thing seriously. It was my idea, after all. How the hell could I possibly try and do something like this if I wasn't making an attempt to be civil with everyone? I even unmuted folks for the sole purpose of being able to take in feedback from everyone because this isn't about me, this is about trying to get something accomplished. You need to flick that chip off your shoulder, though. Whatever kind of fight you were looking for here isn't going to happen. Go drink a smoothie or something, they're both tasty and calming. [quote]Fact of the matter is this: There will NEVER be a guardian council. No company would ever establish a system that would create a hierarchy within their own customer base, period.[/quote] [b]False:[/b] https://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/ [quote]The current feedback system leaves us all EQUAL which is how it should be.[/quote] Yeah, equally deluded in thinking that anything we say holds any kind of real value to it. I'll agree with you there, lol