[quote]Social media posts of BLM supporters calling Micah Xavier Johnson (Dallas shooter) a hero[spoiler]http://imgur.com/nl3AiSc http://imgur.com/DzVW9Ad http://imgur.com/Mb8MROf http://imgur.com/fUZkueo http://imgur.com/2iZXGIr[/spoiler]Want to find more, just search #micahxavierjohnson on social media & you'll find many. Although these types of people may not be the majority in the group, there are still a lot & the BLM leaders never comment on these people actions, make a statement telling them this behavior is not ok & just ignore it. If they don't fix or correct these people's behavior, many more will begging to act like this & ruin what's left of the positive image have for them.[/quote] This is as relevant as looking at this forum, quoting various users in their support of Hitler/other causes of atrocities, and saying "gamers are a disgusting bunch. They're all gonna shoot up schools and kill people!" Edge lords exist in all areas of life. The morons you quote are no different.

It is very relevant because they're using the movements name. If people go to their pages to see what BLM is about, this is what they'll see. Its sending out the wrong message to people & the leaders of the BLM do not address this behavior. It'd be reasonable if it was just 100 people, but the amount of tweets like this is a couple thousand. If they cared about how they're viewed, they'd tell people like this that it's not ok to say that & let people know this is not what their group is about.

[quote]It is very relevant because they're using the movements name. If people go to their pages to see what BLM is about, this is what they'll see. Its sending out the wrong message to people & the leaders of the BLM do not address this behavior. It'd be reasonable if it was just 100 people, but the amount of tweets like this is a couple thousand. If they cared about how they're viewed, they'd tell people like this that it's not ok to say that & let people know this is not what their group is about.[/quote] [url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/08/see-how-black-lives-matter-protesters-respond-to-sign-reportedly-advocating-violence-against-police/]It happens. I imagine you just don't hear about it because [/url] [url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/leaders-black-lives-matter-condemn-violence-dallas-40435135]you're not looking for it and because it's less newsworthy to report on peace [/url] [url=http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-lives-matter-condemn-violence/]than violence.[/url]

That is not the leader. There are people in the movement that weren't doing this, however it was not addressed by the leaders of BLM. It wasn't even addressed in their website, so no they did not address it

[quote]That is not the leader. There are people in the movement that weren't doing this, however it was not addressed by the leaders of BLM. It wasn't even addressed in their website, so no they did not address it[/quote] There were three links there and one of them specifically mentioned leaders of BLM and another was a media contributor.

Lol you think what they said addressed those tweets of people calling the shooter a hero or saying it was justified? & again nothing was said on their actual website. They are not condemning the behavior of those in the group & if it's continuously ignored, things will get worse. They released that statement to just say that one guy doesn't speak for the movement. However thousands are tarnishing it by supporting what he did. They're unorganized.

[quote]Lol you think what they said addressed those tweets of people calling the shooter a hero or saying it was justified? & again nothing was said on their actual website. They are not condemning the behavior of those in the group & if it's continuously ignored, things will get worse.[/quote] [url=http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/]Did you even read the sources I showed you?[/url] one had that link to the BLM website statement like in the second sentence. It's not the responsibility of BLM to seek out every edgy dipshit that makes a dumb tweet and publicly scold them. They issued a statement on their website, and several leaders condemned the violence in other statements that I gave you sources for. It seems like you're denying facts because they don't fit your narrative.

The article on the BLM website is the exact same thing that was in the 1st article. Again that does not address the people that are saying he was a hero. How hard is it to tell people in their movement not to say these things, that it's not the message they want for their movement? It literally would take 5 minutes. They released that statement to just say that one guy (the shooter) doesn't speak for the movement & to say that people in the BLM movement were helping officers. It was to make sure they looked good & to address the people saying that it was BLM that was at fault for this shooting. Thousands of people are tarnishing the movement by supporting what the shooter did. They're unorganized. And regardless of that, protesting & blaming cops for something that hasn't even been proven is wrong. When they protested in Ferguson, that guy was not innocent & it was later discovered. Did they apologize or admit they were in the wrong? Them constantly defending criminals, doesn't make them look good. Them constantly rushing to blame cops when the evidence hasn't been reviewed, does not make them look good. It's no surprise that people want to kill cops when they constant push out that cops are bad & targeting blacks. They are not a good group & their statement are contradicted by the actions of people in the movement.

[quote]The article on the BLM website is the exact same thing that was in the 1st article. Again that does not address the people that are saying he was a hero. How hard is it to tell people in their movement not to say these things, that it's not the message they want for their movement? It literally would take 5 minutes. They released that statement to just say that one guy (the shooter) doesn't speak for the movement & to say that people in the BLM movement were helping officers. It was to make sure they looked good & to address the people saying that it was BLM that was at fault for this shooting. Thousands of people are tarnishing the movement by supporting what the shooter did. They're unorganized.[/quote] [quote]Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it. [/quote] That's from the article I just linked to you in my last post. They aren't calling for violence. The other leaders in the other posts I linked you echo that sentiment. Quit acting like those who [i]are[/i] calling for violence speak for the whole group. They're edgy, angry, uneducated dumbasses. No organized group condones the violence. The rest of your post is not relevant to my point here. I'm not here to discuss the validity of any protests. I'm simply in this thread to make the point that BLM absolutely does [i]not[/i] advocate violence.

I read the article multiple times, so you don't need to quote it. Again that does not address what people in the movement are doing and saying. They can say they don't want violence, but that wasn't even the focus of the article & [u]it's definitely not keeping people from being violent[/u]. They can say something all they want, but actions speak louder than words bud. That article was made in response to people saying that the shooter represents the BLM movement & made to try & make Them look good. Having one part in the article that says they don't want violence doesn't mean people in the movement are taking it to heart. And how is what the rest of what I said irrelevant? The group is unorganized, they say one thing & contradict it with their actions. You may not think these posts that show BLM people supporting the shooter are important, but I do. I think it very important how a group carries themselves & defending criminals, while blaming cops saying they're all bad before evidence is released are not good things to do. They are spreading a lot of hate & misinformation that causes people to become violent & that alone let's you know how great they are. I could care less about one sentence that says they don't want violence

[quote]I read the article multiple times, so you don't need to quote it. Again that does not address what people in the movement are doing and saying. They can say they don't want violence, but that wasn't even the focus of the article & [u]it's definitely not keeping people from being violent[/u]. They can say something all they want, but actions speak louder than words bud. That article was made in response to people saying that the shooter represents the BLM movement & made to try & make Them look good. Having one part in the article that says they don't want violence doesn't mean people in the movement are taking it to heart.[/quote] If you read the articles multiple times, you see in one article that BLM protesters approached one individual who had a violence inciting sign at a rally and chanted "peace not violence" and that both other articles had multiple leaders, along with their website, cited as condemning violence. Of course it's trying to make themselves look good. [i]Anybody[/i] saying "hey, we don't want violence" would make them look good. There are bad apples that claim allegiance to every group that don't actually speak for the majority. This is no exception. Despite that I have given you [i]multiple[/i] sources of the leaders condemning violence, the website condemning violence, and actual members acting against those who want violence. You have no leg to stand on in saying that this group's leaders either condone it, or aren't speaking against it. You're wrong in saying they aren't against violence. Period. [quote]And how is what the rest of what I said irrelevant? The group is unorganized, they say one thing & contradict it with their actions. You may not think these posts that show BLM people supporting the shooter are important, but I do. I think it very important how a group carries themselves & defending criminals, while blaming cops saying they're all bad before evidence is released are not good things to do. They are spreading a lot of hate & misinformation that causes people to become violent & that alone let's you know how great they are. I could care less about one sentence that says they don't want violence[/quote] The validity of what they protest isn't relevant because you were claiming this group either doesn't condemn, or outright condones violence. Those are two different discussions. The idiots who praise the shooter go against what leaders and other members speak of, which is evidenced by the articles/quotes I gave you. You are disregarding evidence which doesn't fit your narrative (claims by leaders of condemning violence) and holding onto evidence which does fit your narrative (random people... Read: NOT the leaders praising the shooter). It's not logical in the least.

You're clearly missing the bigger picture & you're fixated on one article that says they don't condone violence. You're dismissing the thousands of violent members because of words that mean nothing. These people are part of their group, they can deny them all they want, but not addressing it allows now people to become violent because they see others doing it. They can't even wait to protest & blame cops without even knowing facts of what happened. Saying that cops need to stop killing innocent black men when we don't know if they were innocent. They made the same mistake in Ferguson & were in the wrong, yet it was not addressed & in their site said that they were right for doing it. Right for destroying a city, looting & burning down businesses all for a criminal that was rightfully shot? If that means nothing to you, then there's nothing more to say. If you don't want to see what they've done as a whole & chose to go off of words, then that's just sad. They've continually misinformed people, while race baiting & causing a divide between races. I guess it's ok though cause they said they don't condone violence, so every error they make is null. Idk how people can be so blind, but oh well, you have every right to your opinion.

[quote]You're clearly missing the bigger picture & you're fixated on one article that says they don't condone violence. You're dismissing the thousands of violent members because of words that mean nothing. These people are part of their group, they can deny them all they want, but not addressing it allows now people to become violent because they see others doing it. They can't even wait to protest & blame cops without even knowing facts of what happened. Saying that cops need to stop killing innocent black men when we don't know if they were innocent. They made the same mistake in Ferguson & were in the wrong, yet it was not addressed & in their site said that they were right for doing it. Right for destroying a city, looting & burning down businesses all for a criminal that was rightfully shot? If that means nothing to you, then there's nothing more to say. If you don't want to see what they've done as a whole & chose to go off of words, then that's just sad. They've continually misinformed people, while race baiting & causing a divide between races. I guess it's ok though cause they said they don't condone violence, so every error they make is null. Idk how people can be so blind, but oh well, you have every right to your opinion.[/quote] I'm missing the bigger picture when your original claim was that leaders/the official website of the movement aren't condemning the violence called for by a few morons out there? Hell even at the other protests this week the only one to actually harm anybody wasn't associated with BLM. You've repeated in this thread that actions speak louder than words. You have both in the links I sent you plus the fact that the protests organized by the group weren't violent until an outsider killed people on his own accord. As I said in another thread if you want to blame anybody, blame the media. [i]They[/i] break the stories "unarmed black man gunned down by white cop!" BLM, and the rest of the nation, reacts to that. If you want to condemn something, condemn how the entire media industry was making articles based off of a YouTube video put out there by a biased source. Condemning a group that openly condemns violence and peacefully protests its immediate reactions to stories perpetuated by the media at large won't do anything. Remember BLM doesn't control the media; they merely react to it. That group (read: the media) not only race baits, but directly profits from doing so.

You honestly make no sense, just because the media race baits (& believe me I know how shitty they are) doesn't mean BLM has to do the same. Again that just divides us & causes tension. They can say they condemn violence, but it doesn't matter when some do react violently. Idc how many peaceful protests they have because those are not the issue. They don't address the people that say things they shouldn't or protest violently. They need more than one sentence in an article to let people know it's not ok, they need while articles on their speaking about each individual wrong. Its honestly not difficult. You're just going to reply with the same stuff but I honestly don't care. I'm leaving these examples so people can see what people in that movement say, despite condemning violence.

[quote]You honestly make no sense, just because the media race baits (& believe me I know how shitty they are) doesn't mean BLM has to do the same. Again that just divides us & causes tension. They can say they condemn violence, but it doesn't matter when some do react violently. Idc how many peaceful protests they have because those are not the issue. They don't address the people that say things they shouldn't or protest violently. They need more than one sentence in an article to let people know it's not ok, they need while articles on their speaking about each individual wrong. Its honestly not difficult. [u]You're just going to reply with the same stuff but I honestly don't care. I'm leaving these examples so people can see what people in that movement say, despite condemning violence.[/u][/quote] Which, again, is why I said that it's about as relevant as pointing out how some people on this forum say "Hitler did nothing wrong" as evidence for all gamers being bloodthirsty. Some idiots say stupid things and gamers don't need to come out and condemn that every time to get the point across. BLM doesn't need to seek out every dumb tweet and say "No, that's bad. Stop that, sir" They just need to make an overarching statement (which they have) and their leaders need to condemn it (which they have). Their members have also acted against other members that wanted violence in a public protest (which I linked to earlier). Not every tweet needs to be refuted. Chill with that shit.