There is no need to re-post your feedback, I already took account of it the first time... Also, this is not a re-post. This was the first out of like...5-6+ posts that I'll be making in to cover all the various aspects regarding the Guardian Council. Each post will be linked to the previous post as well.

I have not reposted this. Posted it one time in each of the 4 threads. I'll have to look into this as it's not me reposting it.

[quote]Due to the repost of this topic (for the third time). I feel like I also need to repost why I don't support it.[/quote] Your exact words.

Yes. 1 post in each repost of the same topic. So you can make as many post as you like over the same idea. But I'm only allowed to disagree in 1? If it's been posted more than that then something weird is going on. Maybe I missed something. I found 4 posts. Posted my thoughts in each of the 4 posts.

[quote]Yes. 1 post in each repost of the same topic. So you can make as many post as you like over the same idea. But I'm only allowed to disagree in 1?[/quote] The subject is the Guardian Council, but each post has been a different topic thus far within said subject. You need to bare in mind that I am the one who has to read EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT. I am not being paid for my time in all of this. If you are going around copy/pasting the same exact thing over and over again, all its doing is wasting my valuable time. As for what you can and can't do? Well you can technically do whatever. But just because you CAN do anything doesn't mean you SHOULD, though. You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't agree and would rather the whole thing be aborted outright. You are just repeating yourself over and over again without actually offering anything new to the discussion.

[quote]The subject is the Guardian Council, but each post has been a different topic thus far within said subject.[/quote] Same idea. Different ways to word it. [quote]You need to bare in mind that I am the one who has to read EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT.[/quote] That's personal. Every one should be able to read objecting views in each post. Not just 1. [quote]I am not being paid for my time in all of this. If you are going around copy/pasting the same exact thing over and over again, all its doing is wasting my valuable time.[/quote] Could this not be reversed? [quote]As for what you can and can't do? Well you can technically do whatever. But just because you CAN do anything doesn't mean you SHOULD, though. You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't agree and would rather the whole thing be aborted outright. You are just repeating yourself over and over again without actually offering anything new to the discussion.[/quote] Again. reversed? This idea as it stands now not the whole "bungie needs to talk more". Find a better way. There have been plenty of other suggestions besides a "elected group" to say they speak for all. With careful wording to make it look good. Can I go back to playing the game now? Those that do play don't have the time to seek out every post about the same thing.

[quote]Same idea. Different ways to word it.[/quote] No, that is incorrect. This post is clearly outlining the general [b]Terms of Service[/b] for Council Members. Meanwhile, the second post is concerning the process in which the Community and Council would interact with one another, the actual details of [b]Submitting Propositions.[/b] Both posts are listed under the same subject but both clearly cover two different topics regarding it. Now, if I were using copy/paste to just repeat myself over and over again then yes, THEN your assertion would be true. [quote]That's personal. Every one should be able to read objecting views in each post. Not just 1.[/quote] The same could be true for supportive views as well, or someone who has an idea and just keeps re-posting their idea trying to get as much attention for themselves as possible. Is there anything actually stopping you from doing it? No, of course not. But as I said, just because you CAN do whatever you want doesn't mean you SHOULD, though. Everything in moderation. [quote]Could this not be reversed?[/quote] No? I'm the one who took on the responsibility to manage this. You are under no such obligations, meaning you are free to ignore whatever you please, unlike me. [quote]Again. reversed? This idea as it stands now not the whole "bungie needs to talk more". Find a better way. There have been plenty of other suggestions besides a "elected group" to say they speak for all. With careful wording to make it look good.[/quote] Again, not really. I can't see how you could "reverse" that. And many people have given many different ideas. But just like with you disagreeing with the Council, that does not mean I suddenly decide to abort this. There are many more who likewise agree with and support the GC as well, and you need to take their feelings into account on this as well. [quote]Can I go back to playing the game now?[/quote] Weird. I was under the impression you could play and type on your phone at the same time. No one is forcing you to keep responding back to me. =P

[quote]No, that is incorrect. This post is clearly outlining the general [b]Terms of Service[/b] for Council Members. Meanwhile, the second post is concerning the process in which the Community and Council would interact with one another, the actual details of [b]Submitting Propositions.[/b] Both posts are listed under the same subject but both clearly cover two different topics regarding it. Now, if I were using copy/paste to just repeat myself over and over again then yes, THEN your assertion would be true.[/quote] Ok. Same idea. But a way to keep "normal views" Fromm seeing all of it. Same as a tv show on one channel with half the story and the same show on another channel with the other half both running at the same time (news outlets do this a lot). Work on 1 part at a time. This gives both supporters and non-supporters fair time. [quote]The same could be true for supportive views as well, or someone who has an idea and just keeps re-posting their idea trying to get as much attention for themselves as possible. Is there anything actually stopping you from doing it? No, of course not. But as I said, just because you CAN do whatever you want doesn't mean you SHOULD, though. Everything in moderation. [/quote] Again reversed. Both sides same coin. [quote]No? I'm the one who took on the responsibility to manage this. You are under no such obligations, meaning you are free to ignore whatever you please, unlike me.[/quote] Ignoring it is the same as "doing nothing". What good does ignoring something do? [quote]Again, not really. I can't see how you could "reverse" that. And many people have given many different ideas. But just like with you disagreeing with the Council, that does not mean I suddenly decide to abort this. There are many more who likewise agree with and support the GC as well, and you need to take their feelings into account on this as well.[/quote] I do. Every one can post there opinion. I just disagree with yours. [quote]Weird. I was under the impression you could play and type on your phone at the same time. No one is forcing you to keep responding back to me. =P[/quote] Sorry not a dreg. It takes 2 hands to play or 2 hands to reply. Saying nothing does nothing. Groups use this tactical well. It the just keep bashing them with it till they give in. (Give In = stop voicing there view). It's the "who ever gets the last word wins" (LOL just noticed how that applies in game as well). It's who ever has the most time gets what they want (you in this case).

[quote]Ok. Same idea. But a way to keep "normal views" Fromm seeing all of it. Same as a tv show on one channel with half the story and the same show on another channel with the other half both running at the same time (news outlets do this a lot). Work on 1 part at a time. This gives both supporters and non-supporters fair time.[/quote] Actually, I would say its more akin to a single series with different episodes playing where everyone has equal opportunity access. As you've noticed, even though its been like 3-4 weeks since I made this post, I'm still in here responding to stuff. Likewise, I plan on having each and every subsequent post linking to the previous one, allowing everyone the chance to read up on stuff that they might have missed. [quote]Again reversed. Both sides same coin.[/quote] No, its actually quite literally a verse taken straight from my Ethics 101 professor. I get what you're trying to say with it, just because we can make a Council doesn't mean we should. However, as I have already explained numerous times all throughout, there is greater reason to make said Council than there is not to. Fact of the matter is that we, the Community, have been presented with a challenge, to see if we are actually capable of pulling something like this off. Should we fail? Then the fault is entirely on us for not being able to step up to the plate. If we succeed? Then the ball is effectively in Bungie's court. If they choose to fumble at that point? Then the resulting PR disaster will prove devastating for them. Can the people work together to prove others wrong? We'll find out... [quote]Ignoring it is the same as "doing nothing". What good does ignoring something do?[/quote] I think you missed the point I was making. Oh well, it really wasn't that important anyways. [quote]I do. Every one can post there opinion. I just disagree with yours.[/quote] Then you shouldn't feel a need to be so forceful about it. [quote]Sorry not a dreg. It takes 2 hands to play or 2 hands to reply. Saying nothing does nothing. Groups use this tactical well. It the just keep bashing them with it till they give in. (Give In = stop voicing there view). It's the "who ever gets the last word wins" (LOL just noticed how that applies in game as well). It's who ever has the most time gets what they want (you in this case).[/quote] You don't find that logic a tad ridiculous? You place too much importance on getting the last word. The argument/conversation as a whole is what's important. Sometimes taking the last word can ultimately hurt your case or cause others to think poorly of you. That's IF you care what other people think. I will impart some wisdom to you. I served three years on my school's Debate Team. Speaking from experience, the last word is actually the least important part. The starting arguments, the first response and the counter response are what matter most. In terms of forums? If it is your desire NOT to support something, like the Council for example, then the best thing you could hope to do is given your disagreement and then avoid the topics like the plague. The reason being is that each and every time you and me say something to one another, you are assisting to bump the post itself. 9 times out of 10, people won't bother reading the comments section, they will simply stick to the OP. Likewise, the post is what they will see/read first, at which point they will either agree or disagree with it. Your comment won't honestly play that big of a role in influencing that decision, assuming what you said even actually gets seen. In other words, your actions are more supportive than anything else. As for me having time, I'm a night owl. Both me and my wife are Gamers and lately she has been playing FF7 for the first time. So while she is doing that, I'm sitting back watching her and helping out, likewise while reading/responding to stuff on here. So I wouldn't say that I have MORE time, per say, rather I'm just good at managing my time.

If you can't see the flaws in those responses there is no need to point them out. Then you try to flood people with paragraph after paragraph, knowing most people don't have time to deal with it or read it all. Your trying to sell people on "there is no other way but my way". Resulting disaster for bungie? Like it would be spun off any number of ways to prevent that. Just like you will spin later if the GC fails that it was not the GC fault it was the "distructive" (like me) that did it. Happens every day in the government. You can't force bungie to step up. They just have to do it on there own. Hope your wife likes the run of FF7. One of my favorites. Still love going back doing plays throughs of it. May I suggest watching final fantasy advants children after. Good movie that ties into the story.

She watched the movie first a couple years back and was lost with a lot of it, relying on me to explain things to her. But now she's making more sense of it as she plays through the game. Anyways. There were no flaws in anything that I stated, you should be more than capable of deducing that for yourself. I expect you to be able to. Since you made mention of it, I can only assume that the reason for said response is because you apparently feel pressured to reply. I've said before that you don't NEED to keep responding to me. In fact, its more than fair to simply take a pause and resume later on which is something I do quite often. In fact, that response you just gave me reads like a jumbled mess with no real cohesion, its just all over the place. Do yourself a favor and take a reprieve if you truly must insist on continuing. Actually here, I'll do you the favor and I'll be the one to step away for a bit instead. I could do with laying down and stretching out anyways.

You know for a smart guy you really do miss the over all. You continue to talk down to me (and others) because you believe your self to be smarter. That's not the case. Do I have the ways and means to debate you. Yes. Do I feel the need. No. Everything I have said has been carefully chosen for a reason. Even the way I have said it. Phycology 101. Do you still not get the "simple is better" reference??? ;-)

Copy/Paste = Re-post You don't need to keep doing it, I already got it the first time.

It was not for you. It was for every one. Not every one looks at every post. Part of democracy.

Fair point. Then if you change anything, please add a note at the top so I know what to look for then.

If I edit any of my posts (other than spelling iphone hates me sometimes) I add edit: at the end. I don't change what was originally stated.

I'm not asking you to edit. I asked that if you insist on just re-posting the same thing over and over that, if you decide to change anything, to put a note at the top to let me know. That way I don't have to spend the time re-reading your feedback.

I'm sorry your mad I put EDIT: at the bottom? Ok then because making things more convent to you is so important. If I edit something (witch I have stated "I don't change what I said") I'll put it where ever. Why does this just seem like your saying I'm always "editing" my posts? Copy/paste = same thing. Response could be different. I give you credit your good at manipulating things. But, then again all politicians are.

Actually you're just confusing yourself and mistaking it for me apparently being some sort of skilled manipulator... Which is hilarious, don't get me wrong. Just...don't worry about it. I'll figure something out for it on my own. Yeesh...

Most of that is nonsense.

Sorry you can't understand it. How many of the lackeys are going to troll me for not supporting.