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originally posted in:Liberty Hub
5/30/2016 7:23:04 AM
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I support the rights of [i]all[/i] citizens. There's no use in establishing arbitrary collectives.
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[quote]I support the rights of [i]all[/i] citizens. There's no use in establishing arbitrary collectives.[/quote]
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So if you are not a citizen then tough luck? #buildthatwall?
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Citizenship is a pillar of the social contract. It's what connects people to their state. Non-citizens aren't necessarily lesser people. They're merely not members of the particular social contract of the nation.
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Oooooo someone learned Rousseau in government class. But you didn't really answer my question. #buildthatwall?
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Locke and Hobbes, actually. And no, I don't think a Federal Government project to build a wall along the U.S./Mexico border will solve more problems than it's worth. Nothing against walls, it's just that the state has a hard time doing [i]anything[/i] efficiently.
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So federal government shouldn't do [i]anything[/i] because it's inefficient?
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I don't think I implied that. The state has two roles. It must protect the natural rights of its citizens, and it must punish those that are found to have violated those rights. Unless somebody can show me that a giant wall along the border will protect my rights, I'm not quite sure why I ought to support it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of open borders, nor am I sympathetic to illegal immigrants. I only wonder if there are more efficient ways of solving our problems. Perhaps a wall [i]is[/i] the solution, but so far nobody has been able to convince me that it is.
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The ease of crossing the border is not the problem. It's the punishment or lack thereof that illegal immigrants face that entices them to keep coming. That's what needs to be fixed. But making the crossing harder wouldn't hurt.
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I support deportation. That's the punishment that fits the crime.
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But that does nothing to stop them from coming back
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They [i]can[/i] come back. Legally. If they illegally immigrate again, they're going to get uprooted and deported again.
