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5/15/2016 10:14:21 PM
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Raising the minimum wage shouldn't be seen as "compassionate" or "charitable."
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[quote]Raising the minimum wage shouldn't be seen as "compassionate" or "charitable."[/quote]
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It should be seen as the right thing to do.
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Paying your employees reasonably should be the right thing to do. Threatening people to pay their employees more from behind the barrel of a gun is the wrong thing to do.
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No one's being threatened.
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What happens when Joe Business Owner doesn't comply?
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Uh they're fined heavily or they're shut down. Just like if Walmart refused to pay their workers. Same deal.
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Forced to pay money? Most would call that robbery.
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So the cops are robbing you when you get a speeding ticket?
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No, you'd be breaking the terms of use for that government property. That's how it would work with private roads. The robbery in that scenario is being forced to pay for those roads on threat of force in the first place.
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No one's using force. Everyone's supposed to pay their fair share. Walmart gets billions of dollars in subsidies every year. Why can't that money be used to fund college tuition? Why can't that money be used to fund a single payer healthcare system? Why can't that money be used to give everyone a living wage or a gaurenteed living income? Why can't that money be used to re-build the country's infrastructure?
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Because its walmarts money...
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[quote]No one's using force[/quote] So Joe doesn't comply to the state's demands of paying higher wages. What do they do? Impose a fine and ask nicely? In my experience, asking nicely isn't an end all to getting people to do what you want. He says no. What then? It's a chain of ever increasing demands ultimately backed by force. [quote]pay their fair share[/quote] There's nothing fair about this. You are taking people's money, filtering it through layers of bureaucracy and administrative paychecks to create an end product that is inefficient, ineffective, sometimes downright destructive, and something a funder may not even benefit from. Why can't that money just not be stolen in the first place?
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[quote]In my experience, asking nicely isn't an end all to getting people to do what you want. He says no. What then? It's a chain of ever increasing demands ultimately backed by force.[/quote]Being fined or shut down may be forceful, but it has to be done. Just like when you refuse to pay your parking ticket. [quote]There's nothing fair about this. You are taking people's money, filtering it through layers of bureaucracy and administrative paychecks to create an end product that is inefficient, ineffective, sometimes downright destructive, and something a funder may not even benefit from. Why can't that money just not be stolen in the first place?[/quote]There is a disgusting amount of income inequality in the U.S. It's not like you're making everyone rich or poor, you're simply making the rich pay their fair share. That money is helped to lower taxes on the low and middle class, and it's used to fund government programs like healthcare.
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Why does it have to be done? Is there some otherworldly force of statism that compels you to legitimize stealing and violence? Who made you the moral authority on what is fair? Is it equality? Equality isn't fair, and it certainly isn't natural. All it does is result in regression of and to the mean. People are different. Their actions are different. Positively, negatively, neutrally... they are not the same. I'd love to compare private vs state systems for things like healthcare, but fair warning, that might end up being a wall that would make Trump jealous.
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Okay I'm done talking to you. You're equating higher taxes on the rich to robbery. I'm -blam!-ing done. Think what you want, you're just too dumb.
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Edited by Autolycus: 5/17/2016 1:00:07 AMI don't care about higher taxes on the rich. I'm talking about taxes in general. A thief by any other name is still a thief. Clearly you don't feel you can rationally defend your position if you have to result to pathetic attacks on my character. Challenging status quo is scarcely a sign of low intelligence.
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Edited by LiamCDM: 5/17/2016 7:42:39 PMNo it's a fact. Your logic is so flawed that I cannot continue without shooting myself in the head. You think taxes equate to robbery. I'm done. Muted
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Edited by Autolycus: 5/17/2016 7:49:30 PMVery well, live in your echo chamber.
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[quote]No one's using force. Everyone's supposed to pay their fair share. Walmart gets billions of dollars in subsidies every year. Why can't that money be used to fund college tuition? Why can't that money be used to fund a single payer healthcare system? Why can't that money be used to give everyone a living wage or a gaurenteed living income? Why can't that money be used to re-build the country's infrastructure?[/quote]
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It's morally repulsive to use the state to bully business owners into setting higher wages. It strips them of their rights, and it's a great way to enforce local monopolies.
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It's morally repulsive to allow businesses to underpay their workers.
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"Underpay" is subjective. Every job has a market value. You're using state violence to impose your ideas of adequacy on others.
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State violence? LMAO That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard! increasing taxes on Wall Street, the top 1% and closing the loopholes isn't being violent! I'm not advertising violence in any way! Jesus -blam!- the down syndrome is real!
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If it's not violent, then what happens to business owners that refuse to comply? You're not going to compel them?
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Edited by LiamCDM: 5/15/2016 11:02:00 PMThe laws would allow the government to penalize them severally. I don't know how, I'm not the one running for President.
