I kinda laughed when this turned into an argument about arguing

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No the problem is ppl like you who defend everything they do. If they don't see the error in their ways..they don't know how to fix it. You can be a fan of something ,and still criticize it. Matter of fact that would mean you care more. Nobody is entitled, because they expect more out of Bungie. These guys made Halo. Probably one the biggest franchises of all time (CoD and Madden are slightly bigger). So quit accepting mediocre ,and expect bigger things like we know they're capable of.

Seriously another attack, did you not read my posts in reposnse to the other guy. I am not blindly defending the company, and i for one can see the potential this game has and its a damn shame the way its gone. I have and will always advocate for more content but i won't scream and b*itch at the top of my lung demanding this and that. End of the day i was just stating basic concepts of business. There are plans that constantly change and with the community asking for so many things there is only so much that will get into the game. Do you think they want to be called liars again after the skill based match making debarcle in decmber, i dont think they do. Think before you attack someone. Been on these forums years and i know exactly whats going, is a damn shame the community is so toxic. I admit they have lied and that we have cut content but does that stop me voicing my opinion on a game i do truly care about. Have a good day but seriously the game can be better but the company is obviously in turmoil and it is affecting development.

You attacked ppl in this community first by calling them "entitled". Don't play the victim card now. My post didn't even attack you. I didn't call you any names..just stated facts from your post. Maybe mommy needs to wipe them tears from your eyes ,because someone called you out on something. You clearly don't get it ,and never will.

Okay guess your following line "No the problem is ppl like you who defend" Yeah thats not attacking me, its not name calling no but the statement is directed at me, attacking my opinion and character. Some members of this community do act entiltled, to ignore that is crazy. That was all i am saying and that they need to understand companies and development plans geez. Companies cant spoon feed everything every second. Now i'm not going to attack you back or say anthing more, not even playing victim because this whole thing is petty. I stated my opinion and thats it, if you cant see that then we will just have to agree to disagree. Look the community is toxic as it is we dont need petty arguement among fans of a game they love/enjoy/adore.

You completely dodged the fact that you attacked community memebers..didn't even address it. I'll take that W ,and drop it. When someone makes a valid point ,and the other person fails to address it..it means that point got across. Don't attack this community ,and then not expect to have someone point out things wrong with what you said. Just because you may feel the need to defend Bungie..doesn't mean the rest of us want to. That isn't being entitled. That's expecting more out of Bungie ,and they need to deliver. Especially after the lying ,and broken promises they tried to make. I'd respect them more if they just flat out said "We fuked up..We intend to everything possible to make it right." Then actually follow through with it.

You are actually an idiot. Destiny has been in the works since 2007. If you think they don't still have bits left over to push out then you are a moron. The bloody death singer & the Dreadnaught, AND the Reef were all in pre release ViDoc footage. Developments do change, but this one has had the benefit of years and years of man power across an exceptional studio who know more about the same engine they have been using for years than they let on, and people like you lap it all up. If you cannot accept that people want to give constructive criticisms (or just damn well demand what we feel is normal for a game - please note the Division just had a patch bigger than most Destiny has put out in about 100th of the time Bungie take to even acknowledge concerns) then please get the hell off of these forums, where we come to try & improve the game, and go to Reddit or Planet Destiny. You have no right to tell people that they are children or raised badly just because you are willing to take a rather large shafting up the backside, and especially when your 3 points are completely invalid: [u]Money:[/u] Bungie has plenty, incredibly successful studio with the gaming industries biggest publisher behind them [u]Manpower:[/u] 500 odd staff, with a contract which states that they must keep this number within a (i believe) 20% margin at all times (thats more than CoD has working on it...). [u]Time:[/u] In drawing board & starting dev since 2007.

You think I don't know that information. Geez way to be mature and go of the rails. All I meant was that a lot on the forum don't grasp these basic concepts of game development and to verbally call be an idiot and say my points are invalid is childish and petty. I know exactly what's happening with the damn game and if you know anything about the state of the company you would know and see that there is something clearly affecting the games future. Look at all the lead and senior roles on offer on the careers page, it's clear there is a staffing issue. Which in turn leads to some of the communication disconnect with the community. Also about bungies contract with Activision is almost ruined since destiny was meant to come intially in 2013 and not 2014 like it was I have watched all the videos and fully aware of the cut content. And also the lawsuits with marty. So if you think I am talking rubbish or like getting shafted then think again, I have been annoyed with the direction the game has gone and I have even advocated for more content. Even had a respond from deej with a topic last regarding expanding each world. The game has great potential and I will be the first to say I want more content but if people constantly demand and then b*tch when the company aren't ready to give information due to changeable deveoplement plans. Then that's on the community not the company. End of the damn day they want to be sure what's coming as they don't want to be called out as liars again such as with the whole skill based match making problem in December. Also did you know because of failing to keep to the 10 year publishing agreement could cost bungie millions and having high moon studios help with destiny 2, clearly shows a significant issue. Destiny as franchise will not last the 10 year deal as far as i see it and with the community as it is with all the sense of entitlement, request for staff to be fired by the community (namely deej) and the constant redundant nerf and buff post. All this and the lies will destroy the franchise. I am actually disappointed with the way the community is, I've been registered on these for 5 years and it a damn shame it's so toxic now. Have a good day anyway guardian but please think before verbally attacking someone again in such a petty way.

Wait, lemme get to the rest of that in a minute, can you please point me to the part where another studio is confirmed to be working on Destiny two? I know they did some of the Crucible maps for TDB & HoW, but haven't seen a word about them helping with anything further?

Yeah, no kidding. It's too bad the anonymity of the Internet gives them the confidence to say stupid shit they know is stupid