The campaign in 4 was taken straight from a Cheesy Sy Fy movie. I'm happy they went away with that crap.

Lol you really need to replay the previous ones, Halo 3 especially. Thats poor storytelling and the left out some important details and explanation. Good thing it didn't end up as a trilogy because it would have made a horrible one.

I'm playing ODST right now.

ODST is good. Its not a sequel, just a standalone Halo Spinoff.

Whether it's a main game or not, is irrelevant, it has a decent, simple story. Joseph Staten is writing Halo books, that's how good his writing is, you don't see the Halo 4 writer, doing books, do ya. Many fans were content with Bungie's stories. Many casuals liked Halo 4's.

[quote]Whether it's a main game or not, is irrelevant, it has a decent, simple story.[/quote] Unlike Halo 3 that didn't bring any closure to anything. Didn't explain any origin whatsoever. Its a wasted opportunity. Keeping everything a mystery even after you finish your what was supposed to be last game, is not good story telling. [quote]Joseph Staten is writing Halo books, that's how good his writing is, you don't see the Halo 4 writer, doing books, do ya.[/quote] Writing books about something that is already established doesn't mean the writing is good. Thats like saying Twilight is good because 50 Shades of Gray came from it. How long did it took Joseph to start writing about Halo again? In fact what exactly did it took to him start writing a book about Halo? Oh right him leaving Destiny. Why would the Guy who wrote Halo 4 even be motivated to write Halo again after they trashed his ideas? At least Joseph had someone that improve on what he created unlike that poor Halo 4 writer. [quote]Many fans were content with Bungie's stories. Many casuals liked Halo 4's.[/quote] Many Halo fans don't know shit about story telling. Many Halo fans still don't know shit about story telling. When I started hearing fans say Halo 5 had a better story than Halo 4, thats when I saw that their IQ didn't reach double digits. You say that casuals liked Halo 4 to make yourself look good and above others but in reality, you're just another casual. Try playing a game like Mass Effect where there's actual storytelling and then come back and tell me Halo 1-3 and Reach were good. You'll see why Halo 4 is actually good. Halo overall is just as cheesy as the quote you have on your profile. The only good thing previous Halo have going for them is the pacing and how well done the cutscenes were.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! -blam!- this new forum layout, I was nearly finished my post, then you mentioned the quote, so I clicked on one of my previous comments above, to remind me what it said, NOOOOOOOOOOOO, but it didn't tell me, It took me to my Profile, WHY??????????, I have just lost my entire post. I'l do a summary to make up for it - ODST was a side story, therefore no reason to offer closure, Halo 3 had no need for closure in the first place, the bit at the end was the beginning of a new story. - The Halo 4 writer is absolute shit, I hope he hasn't ruined Andromeda, I'm not a casual. I'm a big fan of Mass Effect as well, ME1 had the best story imo. - Joe has been writing since Halo Wars, and he's very good at it, if only Destiny's story not been -blam!-ed with, we would of been able to see it. Even the Grimiore is amazing. - Halo 5 is nowhere as cheesy as Halo 4's story was, I'm happy with it, it's a step forward. - The quote I have is [b]Not[/b] cheesy, it's rather great, it's perfect writing. - Last bit - -blam!- this new forum layout.

[quote]Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! -blam!- this new forum layout, I was nearly finished my post, then you mentioned the quote, so I clicked on one of my previous comments above, to remind me what it said, NOOOOOOOOOOOO, but it didn't tell me, It took me to my Profile, WHY??????????, I have just lost my entire post.[/quote] LMAO that is really unfortunate. [quote]- ODST was a side story, therefore no reason to offer closure, Halo 3 had no need for closure in the first place, the bit at the end was the beginning of a new story.[/quote] It was intended to end there but moneysoft said no. [quote]-The Halo 4 writer is absolute shit, I hope he hasn't ruined Andromeda, I'm not a casual. I'm a big fan of Mass Effect as well, ME1 had the best story imo.[/quote] Halo 4 is basically on the same level of storytelling as a Mass Effect game. I agree with ME1 having the best tho but my favorite is the second. [quote]- Joe has been writing since Halo Wars, and he's very good at it, if only Destiny's story not been -blam!-ed with, we would of been able to see it. Even the Grimiore is amazing.[/quote] Writing lore, amazing as it is, its one thing, writing a story that ties all that together and a script, is another. [quote]- Halo 5 is nowhere as cheesy as Halo 4's story was, I'm happy with it, it's a step forward.[/quote] Its step backward in more ways that I care to name. It supposed to be a sequel but instead its feel like a spin off with MC as a cameo appereance. It didn't reference what was established in Halo 4 in an way. It ruined Cortana The story was falsely advertised It didn't get anywhere story wise I can go on but I will just put as much effort into naming the bad stuff as 343i did with Halo 5 story [quote]- The quote I have is [b]Not[/b] cheesy, it's rather great, it's perfect writing.[/quote] Perfect, no, great and cheesy, yes. [quote]- Last bit - -blam!- this new forum layout.[/quote] Unless you're talking about the website, I can't really complain since I use the mobile version which is miles better than than the website.

- Yeah, Halo should've ended with Halo 3. - Halo 4 is very sy fy, super futuristic, it feels like a generic sy fy, That's fine for mass effect, cause they done it in their own way, but that just doesn't fit with Halo. - I liked the simplicity of the Joe's stories. So did many others. - I agree with you on a few things about Halo 5 > Tho Cortana & MC were both ruined in Halo 4, They completely wiped their personalities. Cortana no longer was sassy or humorous. Chief was no longer that quiet badass, he was just lame. - I was talking about the website.