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1/5/2016 8:27:06 PM
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And you're saying the GOP candidates are better? They're all corporate pigs and racists. Bernie Sanders is the only logical candidate.
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Bad b8 m8
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This comment is bad b8
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Dude the guy has no idea how LOANS work. He has no idea about how the LAWS work. He has no idea how economics works. Why in the world would I trust him running the country? His plan will add 20+ trillion dollars to our debt. If you taxes the top 10 % of wealth owners at 100% rates and cut military spending entirely (we won't spend a dime on it) you still could not pay for all the free stuff Bernie wants to give away. Also we'd be making the country less safe because well we aren't funding the military. Also don't say it could save us 5 trillion dollars because that's literally all theoretical without any economic variables or external variables taken into consideration. So if you say that the plan will save us 5 trillion dollars you're living in fantasy land. Stop wanting free crap. Work. Find a job.
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Well it works in Europe. There's less poverty, people are happier and everyone is more equal. I believe capitalism should have a part in the economy but it should coincide with socialism. Bernie was a successful Mayor and senator and he credits an economic model that works.
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Edited by HaRmFulChEmIcAlS: 1/7/2016 2:05:50 AMBad b8 m8 i r8 a solid 2/8 would r8 again.
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The truth isn't b8 m8.
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Bernie Sanders literally has no freakin idea how the economy works. Hell he has no idea how microeconomics works either. I wouldn't trust this guy running a business let alone the entire country.
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It works in Europe.
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Yeah it sure worked well in Greece didn't it? Oh what about Denmark? Nope currently starting to fail. Venezuela( i know it's not a European country I'm saying it because it's a country he wants our economy to be run like)? Nope terrible. Oh what about in Russia(see Venezuela)? The Soviet Union collapsed so no. China(see Russia or Venezuela)? No. Spain? Nope still not working well. Look I'll give you that it may "work" but who has the largest economy and a superpower still? That's right the U.S.A. We have capitalism that's morphed into corporatism. Look none of you guys hate capitalism or think it doesn't work right. It works perfectly fine as long as large corporations stay out of the law making process. When corporations interfere with that process it's called corporatism. THAT is what you guys hate. I don't like it either. Business should stay out of government and vice versa. Government is supposed to establish "rules of the game" (economic terms for regulations or rules) but they should never be a player in the game.
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Greece has Syriza and they are more radical then I'd like, but I still support them over PASOK. Venezuela is Marxist. Of course they're failing! Soviet Union is Communist! Of course they fell! You get the wrong idea when I talk about European socialism. I'm talking about Nordic social democracy, where a progressive Welfare State is created with a regulated capitalist economy. I'm not a fan of capitalism, but I admit we need it. And yes, I hate corporatism.
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Yeah I think it was either Switzerland or Sweden that has that and yeah they are starting to feel negative effects from it. I think the top tax bracket there is somewhere between 65-80%. And that's only income tax. That's not sustainable like at all. The people that get taxed that high are the ones creating the jobs. That kills innovation. How? let's say I make 1,000,000 dollars in a year after expenses. Now take away 80% of that. Now we have 200,000 dollars left. Now add all the other taxes combined and you might be looking at around 125-150k left. For me to pay myself, employees, invest, donate, invest in the company (no not the company's stock, investing in this case means to buy better equipment and technology for the company. Doing all that with that much money is impossible in any industry. Now if you have 65% tax you have about 350,000 before other taxes. After taxes you'll be looking at around 275-300k just to keep things consistent. Depending on what industry you may be in, This could either be somewhat manageable to impossible. Why are the tax rates that high? To support the MASSIVE welfare state that is eating the country alive. Without that welfare state those countries could be doing so much better.
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Both countries have progressive welfare states. Besides, I'm still developing a knowledge about economics.
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I understand that they have welfare states and I do think it's important to have one just so people don't go homeless or starve. But when it becomes large like Sweden or Switzerland, then there's a problem. A small welfare sate is ok. People have to learn to help themselves to succeed in whatever they wanna do. A large one is a problem because then people figure "hey I make a good amount of money off this welfare" they take advantage of the system and and don't do jack to help society move forward. Trust me if this interests you you'll love economics it's fascinating. Start with microeconomics first so you learn where the money flows and how and why it does. You'll also learn how markets behave. Then move on to macro. That talks about GDP and basically how a country's economy works and why it works. Honestly the more you study that the less B.S. You'll fall for from politicians. Also you'll enjoy capitalism more when u study it
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I'm taking economics next year. Plus I know full well what capitalism is and although it's needed for a strong economy, it must coincide with socialism.
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But that's the thing. Socialism is not needed in a capitalistic society. The things that most people call elements of socialism are really just either public goods (goods that when consumed don't interfere with other people's consumption and are free to use such as military spending, police, etc. ) or quasi-public goods ( goods that you have to pay for but don't interfere with another's consumption of a good such as gasoline, an subway that isn't crowded, etc.). Lenin said it best. "The goal of socialism is communism." This just is not compatible with capitalism. Socialism seeks complete government control over the economy while capitalism is drive by the free market to efficiently allocate recourses, private sellers, and people pursuing their own wants and desires. Big centralized government does not know what each participant of capitalism wants and therefore allocates it's resources inefficiently. I do think that there should be some regulations and rules that make the playing field fair. But those rules and regulations should not prevent transactions from occurring.
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Ben Carson is neither racist nor part of a corporation. Bernie Sanders is a crazy socialist.
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Carson is a theocrat and Sanders is basically the modern FDR.
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What's wrong with believing in God? Every president except two believed in God.
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It's not the fact that he believes in God. That's fine, but the fact that he doesn't believe in secularism. He's in favor preserving Christian values and he's a creationist. Like the other candidates, he's in favor of shoving Jebus down everyone's throat. Plus, who's the other one who's an atheist? Bernie is a Jewish atheist but who's the second one?
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/04/12/global-survey-finds-63-of-worlds-population-is-religious-while-11-are-convinced-atheists/
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I already knew this.
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Obama and clinton were athiests.
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Uh no. They are devout Christians.
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Ha! Obama is a "devout Christian". Seriously?
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Edited by LiamCDM: 1/7/2016 2:19:53 AMPeople suggest he's a closeted atheist, and maybe so but until he comes out, he's a Christian. Every single U.S. President has been a Christian.
