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Edited by OurWildebeest: 11/15/2015 11:31:51 PM
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Your post, overall, seems intended to push the "most Muslims hate these guys" concept, which unfortunately is not really accurate. It is possible that "most" Muslims dislike ISIS, but it would be more like 60% than the 99% people like to imply. Fact 1: These guys physically control territory comparable in size to a U.S. state. That could not happen if there were only a relative handful of them with near universal opposition. Fact 2: Popular movements in the Muslim world, for example the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, time after time are in pro-radical directions. Fact 3: A 2011 poll of Saudi Arabians found that 36% felt 9/11 was justified. A poll of Palestinians found even more support for it. I would honestly suggest doing research for the purpose of actually learning information first and foremost, then later adopt political beliefs that fit reality, vs adopting a political concept, then adopting facts to fit your politics. The Muslim world is currently unique in its extremely widespread support for violent terrorism. It is a warped and sick culture.
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  • Edited by iim average: 11/16/2015 1:08:17 AM
    My first question, is what actual research have you done on the topic except skim the top for polls that match your agenda? Rebuttals: Fact 1: You're only partially wrong about this fact. In order to understand how there could be any support for ISIS in the Muslim world, you've gotta understand the background to what was happening in Iraq and Syria at the time of ISIS' inception. For example, in Syria, 74% of the population is Sunni (source: http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2006/71432.htm) yet, the president, Bashar al-assad is Shi'a. Sunni's and Shi'a's don't get along well at all. In fact, they fight and go to battle one against another quite often. So Assad has basically made it hell to be a Sunni in Syria, he's taken away almost all of their votes in congress, he's passed bills and laws that make it hard for a Sunni businessman to survive, and basically used thugs to intimidate any Sunni that grows a voice. So Sunni's were sick of this oppression that had been happening for a number of years. ISIS (being primarily Sunni) appeared to be a change for the better for the average Sunni in Syria. No one really opposed them, and their control grew with relative ease. The average Sunni, though, became disenfranchised with ISIS rather quickly once they learned how absolutely horrific they were and how far away from what true Islam is. By then it was too late, ISIS had taken over banks and government buildings containing records of a lot of families living in Syria. This info included number of people in your family, gender and ages of your kids and how much money you made. So if ISIS came knocking on your door, you couldn't lie to them, you couldn't protect your kids or your families. ISIS sent young boys away to military training and to brainwash camp, and sold young women and little girls as sex slaves. Fathers either joined or were killed. ISIS had more weaponry and men alongside them than any village could muster. So once people realized what was happening, it was too late. (I heard most of that firsthand from quite a few refugees.) Fact 2: I don't really disagree with that at all...But I also don't see how that's pertinent to the topic at hand. Fact 3: I actually remember hearing/reading the results of that poll. I was astounded. And then I realized that that was 10 years after the attacks. Years after the invasion of Iraq, (which totally ruined face for America with a lot of Arabs.) There's also the possibility for a bad sample in Saudi Arabia. Also, the poll of Palestine should come as no surprise for a couple of reasons. For example: the fact that Hamas is kinda in control over there; the fact that Israel has totally destroyed Palestine, (and the US has been a staunch ally). Instead of cherry picking polls that match your beliefs, of which you don't understand the background, try getting to know some Muslims and see what they have to say, in the meantime, here are some links to what the overwhelming majority of Muslims and Muslim leaders have to say about the 9/11 attacks, and ISIS. http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/ why some polls make it seem like Muslims support ISIS http://bridge.georgetown.edu/do-42-million-muslims-really-support-isis/ https://newrepublic.com/article/119857/polls-middle-east-about-islamic-state-have-surprising-results Here's results from 3 more recent polls from last year from the last link "The most striking as well as encouraging finding is that ISIS has almost no popular support in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or Lebanon—even among Sunnis. Among Egyptians, a mere 3 percent express a favorable opinion of ISIS. In Saudi Arabia, the figure is slightly higher: 5 percent rate ISIS positively. In Lebanon, not a single Christian, Shiite, or Druze respondent viewed ISIS favorably; and even among Lebanon's Sunnis, that figure is almost equally low at 1 percent." "What do all these numbers mean for the current U.S. campaign against ISIS? Public opinion can be fickle, but for now several policy implications emerge from this analysis. First, Washington and its allies need not fear that ISIS might attract a mass following in these nearby Arab societies, or that a strong popular backlash might develop against U.S. airstrikes, or against our other Arab allies in this fight. But second, the United States would be well advised to target its actions very narrowly against ISIS—not against other Islamist groups that have recently come under American fire, and could well add to their substantial popularity as a result. And third, any U.S. overtures either to Assad or to Iran, as potential partners against ISIS, run a great risk both of further alienating the Egyptian and the Saudi publics, and of further inflaming the dangerous sectarian polarization among Lebanese at the same time." So, basically your whole argument is cherry picking information to match your biased opinion of Muslims, about a topic you don't truly understand.

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  • Edited by iim average: 11/16/2015 1:13:47 AM
    also, this: Almost all Muslim political and religious leaders condemned the attacks. The leaders vehemently denouncing the attacks included the leaders of Egypt (Hosni Mubarak), the Palestinian Authority (Yasser Arafat), Libya (Muammar Gaddafi), Syria (Bashar al-Assad), Iran (Mohamed Khatami) and Pakistan (Pervez Musharraf).[4][20] The sole exception was Iraq, when the then-president Saddam Hussein, said of the attacks that "the American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity".[21] Saddam would later offer sympathy to the Americans killed in the attacks.[22] Bangladesh: People gathered in mosques in prayer, and clerics condemned the attacks.[23] Indonesia: Many Indonesians gathered on beaches to pray for the victims of the attacks.[23] Kazakhstan: Kazakhstan offered the use of its airspace for relief and offered its condolences.[10] Kyrgyzstan: The government of Kyrgyzstan offered its condolences, as well as the use of its airspace. Tajikistan: People gathered in squares to light candles, prayed and offered good wishes. Turkey: Turkish president Ahmet Necdet Sezer and prime minister Bülent Ecevit condemned the attacks. The Turkish government then ordered all of its flags at half-mast for one day of mourning. Turkmenistan: Turkmenistan offered its condolences and offered the use of its airspace for relief. Uzbekistan: Leaders in Uzbekistan called the White House to offer its condolences and also offered the use of its airspace. Azerbaijan: Azerbaijanis gathered in town squares to light candles, pray and offered good wishes. Sudan: Leaders and Clerics in Sudan denounced the attacks. Pakistan: Some Islamic clerics in Pakistani mosques condemned the attacks.[23] Yemen: Some clerics in Yemini mosques heavily denounced the attacks and labelled them as "cowardly" and "un-Islamic".[23] Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian government and the royal Saudi family condemned and denounced the attacks and offered to provide financial aid to the victims.[citation needed] Egypt: Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak vehemently denounced the attacks. Libya: Muammar Gaddafi condemned the attacks. Syria: Bashar al-Assad also condemned the attacks. Iraq: After first justifying the 9/11 attacks, Saddam Hussein, a few months later, offered his sympathy for the victims and Americans killed in the attacks. Jordan: King Abdullah II condemned the 9/11 attacks. Many Jordanians signed letters of sympathy. Kuwait: The Kuwaiti government condemned and denounced the 9/11 attacks. Some Kuwaitis lined up at local Red Crescent hospitals to donate blood. Qatar: Emir Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani condemned the 9/11 attacks and denounced the terrorists who carried them out. Bahrain: King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa condemned the 9/11 attacks. Iran: Despite Iran's rocky relations with the U.S., both Iranian president Mohamed Khatami and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei comdemned and denounced the attacks and the terrorists who carried out the attacks. Iranians who gathered for a soccer match in Tehran two days after the 9/11 attacks observed a moment of silence. There was also a candlelight vigil. Lebanon: Lebanese president Émile Lahoud and prime minister Rafic Hariri both condemned the 9/11 attacks. Lebanese generals signed and sent letters of sympathy. (granted it is Wikipedia, every line has it's own source. I wasn't about to put them all in here, if you're that curious, go for it.)

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  • Man, I had a whole response typed out, and accidentally closed the tab. Lost everything. Give me a couple and I'll type it back up.

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  • Look at my responses, I think they're adequate.

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  • And here you can see that the actual number is 93% https://encounteringislam.org/misconceptions And polls conducted in the Middle East (besides Iran) are bound to have larger numbers of radical Muslims (due to location) (.01% in western countries vs 25% to 35% in middle eastern countries). But even if the majority of Muslims in the Middle East were radicals, that would still be only 25%. As the mass majority of Muslims don't live in the Middle East.

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  • Edited by Ockey Chit: 11/16/2015 12:37:09 AM
    Actually it would be only 20% if [i]all [/i]of the middle eastern Muslims were radical. And since only 35% are, that means that the radical ones are the minority.

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  • Actually it's 100% fact that most Muslims are against extremists. Can you please state your sources?

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