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Everyone knows the traveler is evil and fallen are good
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  • No they don't because that isn't true.

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  • It is the grimore it's self says so

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  • http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/enemies/books-of-sorrow

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  • No it says that the Traveler was part of the forces of the Sky (light) and that it belived that we should have a society where everyone had an equal oppurtunity and lived in a utopia.

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  • If I knew how to link grimore I would there i 3 cards 1 days straight up that traveler is bad and is only helping humanity so we save it then it's gonna ditch us like it ditched the fallen the others say it's bad to the traveler may not be 109% evil but it's not good Cabal are good fallen are good vex are eh and give are evil we are the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] of this game exterminating races for no reason we are just as bad as hive we are evil plus I suggest you watch the video he shows the grimore cards

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  • The Traveler has no prejudice, she is not evil. She believes in a utopian universe: where everyone and everything can live equally in a perpetual Golden Age. And so that's what she does. She gives Golden Ages to any race she comes upon. The Hive chase her eternally, because the Traveler's belief contradicts that of the Darkness. The Darkness believes in a ruthless universe, where you must try to kill everything else; if something will not die, it deserves to exist until it does die. The Traveler is not strong enough to fight the Hive, and many times the she leaves before the Darkness and Hive truly attack. She stopped in our system because she was tired of running. Our Golden Age burned bright because she was arming is to fight alongside her and finally defeat the forces of the Dark

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  • Read the grimore it says the traveler is evil and I doubt it's a girl

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  • The grimoire says nothing of the sort

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  • 1. Card says straight up the traveler is using us as a proxy army and it couldn't give 2 shits about us [url=http://example.com]link[/url] 2. Another says a guardian died had a vision of the black garden talked to a ghost shaped flower it said traveler was evil we are evil we are dead thing Weild a dead power from a dead being he got cut ghost revived him he still has the cut 3. Says the traveler ditched the fallen without a warning or anything which caused their collapse it's evil I recommend you watch the vid

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  • 1. That's a nice link you got there. Wanna try again? 2. So because one Warlock thanatonaut had a vision in which something in the Black Garden implied that Guardians just kill, the Traveler is evil? Not nearly enough evidence. 3. The Traveler ditched the Fallen because she saw the impending Darkness approaching. It wasn't for no reason. The Darkness caused their Collapse. And yes, I have watched the video; its chock full of horribly wrong, outdated information and theories.

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  • Watch the videos he shows the grimore card idk how to link grimore just watch the visor it's evil Luke smith himself in a interview with gamespot was asked if the traveler was good he paused for about a minute smiled and sayed maybe if it was good a simple yes WOULDVE been used it's evil ok

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  • "There's this cool little things our brain does. It creates order in chaos. random noises can sound like words, even more so when you are told that's what they sound like. Bullshit shows like Ghost Hunters feed on this anomaly to convince people that there's actually a ghost talking to them, not just nonsense (ever wonder why centuries old ghosts in germany speak modern day english?) The Dreg did not say "the Darkness" but let's just assume they did. If they did, which again they didnt, evil is perspective. The -blam!-'s are the evil force because they were the ones we fought against, to them (the -blam!-), we were the evil force stopping them from doing whatever the hell their "this is why we're good guys" thing was. The Darkness is shown in the Book of Sorrow as a force from Fundament called the Deep by Hive such as Oryx and his sisters, so no we really can't be the Darkness seeing as how they are trying to destroy the Traveler. Yes i firmly believe the Traveler came to us knowing it was chased, knowign it needed an army, but that doesnt mean we're evil. We're fighting forces that would kill us, therefore we're good. The Traveler did bring them to us, but not for the intention of killing us, but for the intention of protecting itself. "proxy army" is one that you mention. This is her stance, this is why she does what she does. No offense, but it's like you read 4 cards and a reddit post at this point. So for the Black Garden yes they are worshipping, but no they aren't peaceful. As i said it's like you read 4 cards, again in the Books of Sorrow we see that Quria was the Vex mind in control that decided to worship. They stole a Worm, the connection to the Deep, and decided that the Hive God power was what they wanted to obtain. Stealing the Worm, and replicating the Darkness into the Proto-Darkness which is what we fight there, the Black Heart. The Deep Stone Crypt isnt a Guardian (5 grimoire cards, im sorry) it's in the perspective of an Exo. These were originally machines, entirely made to fight, war machines. But along the time-line, heavily suggested in Cayde-6's Journal, Exos were seeded with HUMAN consciousness. Fate of Skolas is just going back to the we're evil to them, but i'd like to call you out again on not actually doing your research because it's apparent and as someone who takes this seriously seeing this is like a slap in the face. The Great Machine is mentioned in more than just those areas. Whirlwind wsa the Darkness, and thanks to other Lore pieces it shows it was actually Oryx's brood that caused it. The Eliksni aren't against it! my god how how how -blam!-ing how. This is personal now. THEY WANT THE TRAVELER BACK! PLAY THE GAME AND IT LITERALLY SAYS THIS! and now you are believing an unknown reddit user. so yea. 5 cards and two reddit posts. I know i come off as a dick, but i feel like i should because this is offensive. I take this seriously, you've likely heard my name because people have actually contacted me asking if YOU contacted me before/after this video. Otherwise i wouldnt have even watched this thing or written this response. Your name carries weight, and that means it's your responsibilty to do your research before posting somehting like this. There are no doubt countless who will just subscribe to this theory because it's you telling them! and to be SO wrong on it too! Honestly i checked the date. I thought this must have been a year old and it's a mistake, there's so much that disproves everything youve said." —AnonPig, 2k15 [spoiler]In other words, this video is so very wrong[/spoiler]

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  • Luke smith didn't say it was good or evil so if it was good he would've said so

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  • Bungie [i]never[/i] says anything outright. They don't have any plans that far ahead. Maybe in the long run, they will decide that the Traveler is "evil" or it may remain "good". But as of now, there is no conclusive evidence to say the Traveler is evil. And one last time, [b][u][i]that video is an outdated theory using old information and theories while COMPLETELY ignoring all new information[/i][/u][/b].

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  • There's no conclusive evidence thats it's good either

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  • Let's just discuss something about good and evil real fast. Neither the Traveler not the Darkness is good or evil. Humans are simply the ones slapping labels on them. The Traveler is "good" because it save us a Golden Age, kindled our development, and fought to protect us when the Darkness arrived. The Darkness is "evil" because it tried to end our civilization and our very existence; it was only because of the Traveler that we survived. To the Hive, the Darkness is the good one and the Traveler is the evil one. "Good" and "evil" are all a matter of perspective. To us, the Traveler is good

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  • if the traveler would've went somewhere else the darkness and give wouldn't of came to us so it didn't save us it -blam!-ed us

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  • The Hive and the Darkness yearn for complete extermination of every "unworthy" race. No matter if the Traveler came here or not, they would have come to us eventually. Except then we would have been less prepared: we wouldn't have had the Traveler, we wouldn't have had the Light, or the Warminds, or the Exos, or the Golden Age technology

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  • They chase the traveler the traveler could've kept going the opposite way there are plenty of aliens the other way the hive could kill

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  • The Hive wouldn't have stopped until every single race in the entire universe was allied with them or dead. They chase the Traveler, yes. But the Traveler would have stayed and fought in some other system. It would have died/gone comatose there, and then the Hive would have gone along on their crusade. Some would stay in that system with the Traveler, but most would continue exterminating. They would have come to our system eventually, no matter what

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  • We would be extinct by the time they came

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  • So you know exactly when humans would go extinct and exactly when the Hive would arrive in our system?

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  • If they chase the traveler and are universe is infinite if the traveler went the other way I could only assume i would be a few million years before they found us and yes with the way we treat each other im pretty sure a nuclear war would happen

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  • Ok, let's step back and look at the logic for a second. Say the Traveler was evil. Why didn't she kill us right when she arrived in our system? Why terraform our planets and boost our lifespans? Let's assume she was, I don't know, "fattening us up" for the Darkness. Then why would the Darkness try to kill the Traveler? The Traveler and the Darkness are mortal (immortal?) enemies. Their beliefs clash so strongly that the only way one can succeed is if the other is dead. Why would the Traveler work with the Darkness against her beliefs? When you add it all up, it doesn't make any sense. Give me conclusive, incontrovertible proof to back up this outdated theory that the Traveler is evil.

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  • You just completely changed topics... The universe is infinite, therefore if the Traveler never came to our universe most likely the Hive would never find it. And when they did, the Sun's lifespan would probably come to a close and we'd all die. That's logic for you.

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