No I'm saying that the quest requirements for those who don't want 2 do the crucibles should be separate cause if your me which alot of people aren't you don't play games for the multiplayer you play it for the story or co-op if its available as for destiny I've played in the crucible an I do fairly good but there are people who play 2 much of an win or they some how hacked the game I kno there are people that are good but then there are some who have crazy k/d ratios that don't match up I dont like the pvp mechanics an also there are just 2 many people who use shotguns an it don't matter what I use against anyone on pvp I lose everytime an ive been useing a gun that has explosive rounds an that should drop there shield in three shots an take there life in two an it takes a full clip 2 kill someone but when they shoot me it takes them 4 shoots 2 kill me with any weapon so yes I say quests an exotic quests should be separate for those who do pvp an pve

They are separate. The only one that isn't is the sword quest. Just think how many quests that aren't pvp based that pvp players don't want to do but have to to get what they want, I'm sure that isn't fun for the either. But that's life, sometimes you want things but it requires you to do something you don't want to but if you want it you gotta do it.

How can you enjoy PvP if you have to do a Quest that puts you in PvE? How can you expect a PvE player to advance when the PvP is the only way to do so? NO! There were 2 other missions at the start of "TTK", that were crucible! Both Player Groups have had their dislikes about the other! That will always be a given, so why argue for one while disliking the other? Point out the problem, prove to them the wrong choice, and hold them accountable to the correct changes that remain Fair to ALL Players, PvE and PvP! They made changes to the game early on to separate the two because of the player feedback, and now it has been re-established in the game again. Bungie! What are you telling PvE Players? PvP is where everyone should be playing, they can like it or quit! Why don't you be Honorable to your customers and offer FULL Refund, with Proof of Purchase of course! Oh! That's right, that would Violate your Contract Terms with ACTIVISION! You made the change before, you can Satisfy both Gamer Communities! What has been Unique, is the completely Open Opportunity for players to readily try the other game type without having to find alternative gear. This comes from knowing other players, from other games! I would hear regular comments about having to change out all of their gear for each game play style. I am sure this could go on for a considerable length of time! What does it Prove? Bungie has a lack of concern for its players? Maybe! Could the Forum Moderators be filtering out real problems from Bungie? Just to cover their own contacts and aquaintences? Maybe! Speculation, over the problems just looks like ranting, then it gets ignored! We as a Community, want to heard, need to be heard, and most still feel like they don't!

The chaperone an the swords are crucible bounded when they don't need 2 be the thorn was when it didn't need 2 be an probably a few dozen other have a thing in the crucible probably that's why I'm saying that none of the exotic quest need 2 be apart of the crucible an needs 2 be fully separate not just two or three of them all of them need 2 be separated from the crucible either that or you get a regular exotic an then a crucible forged weapon of that exotic

The weapons can be the same, with the Standard Randoms that all weapons of Class get! Just have an individualized Quest for PvP, and one for PvE!

Afterthought! LOL! I wouldn't be Surprised to see a POST where a PvP Player is crying about 'How much they suck at PvE!'

It's hard 2 suck at pve unless your underpower in pvp its not balanced like they say it is 2 me the shotguns are still op anyone who shoots me with a sniper rifle breaks straight threw my shield an kills me with one shot or takes two or three shots at me an kills me bit when I do it it take three shoots 2 kill someone with a sniper rifle even with head shoot my explosive rounds don't do there job an one time I hit someone point blank with my sword before they got a shot off an the kill me with a shotgun instead of my blade cutting there head off along with titains an warlocks in the crucible are over powered alittle that none of my subclasses can damage them when they use there supers I hate pvp because the balance is always off that's why I can't stand it

You are just the worst

No I'm not the worst I just don't play against people there's a different

It's part of the game. There's no point in making a post about how you don't like it you have to do it to complete the quest. Somebody above said something worth listening too. Try playing crucible, you might find that you like it. Learn the maps, group up with friends and have fun. Don't get stressed.