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10/10/2015 11:02:53 PM
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[quote]lying about last gen capabilities[/quote]
Would love to see proof of this. Except you have none.
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Yes you're right. Oh wait except for the time that many recall they said there's no space for any more vault space and then in the patch notes before 2.0 said they found 17 megabytes of gigabytes or whatever it was for vault space. You were saying?
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Last gen didn't have enough VRAM for the HoW vault, so they disabled comparison. Last gen didn't have ANY memory to expand the vault, but they freed up a meg of space to allow it to happen. What part of either of those two statements is a lie?
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Because before that they said there was no space. And then later they found space, therefore that would make it a lie...
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[quote]lie: an intentionally false statement. [/quote] Yeah, not a lie.
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It was intentionally false because they didn't bother finding out the truth and telling us. It's also a possibility that they knew this already as well. It's pretty obvious they're trying to get people to go next gen just to get more profits. Honestly out of my whole entire post this is the only thing you attempt to argue with me about? Interesting
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Say you ask me for money. I check my wallet and savings, see that I have nothing, and tell you so. Later, after ruffling through the couch, I find $2 in assorted change and hand it over to you. In no way is that considered lying. This is no different, unless you're grasping at straws to prove your "Bungie is evil" narrative. The reason I care about this so much is that I'm a programmer and I'm tired of seeing people misunderstand the difficulty. I think your whole post is a load of bullocks, but it would take entirely too much time to debunk all of it.
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Edited by N7riseSSJ: 10/11/2015 1:44:18 AM[quote]Say you ask me for money. I check my wallet and savings, see that I have nothing, and tell you so. Later, after ruffling through the couch, I find $2 in assorted change and hand it over to you. In no way is that considered lying. This is no different, unless you're grasping at straws to prove your "Bungie is evil" narrative.[/quote] Ok, I am going to stop and understand your point of view, because that is part of what I am arguing. I understand what you are saying. And how it does not fit the definition of a lie. So I am partially wrong there. However given Bungie's track record with their consumers, I think that it was very possible that they already knew there was space way back when. However this could be completely false. I also don't think Bungie is evil. It seems you might have misread what I've written. You missed the parts where I praised some of their work. I just think they've made *mistakes [quote]The reason I care about this so much is that I'm a programmer and I'm tired of seeing people misunderstand the difficulty. I think your whole post is a load of bullocks, but it would take entirely too much time to debunk all of it.[/quote] I'm glad that you care about this, we need this in the forums. I think since you are a programmer that you need to get your voice out there more, create a post explaining your experience about the time it takes to do this and that, because that's what we need in the forums. We need information, so that we can stop speculating about things we don't know. It's sad that you think my post is "bullocks," because it does contain a lot of truths and observations that are important for many people in these forums to understand. I think a lot of people would be a lot more understanding of Bungie if they communicated more with us. Just because for some reason you disagree with my post, doesn't make it any less true, just like you did with explaining how what I was pointing out might not necessarily be a lie. If you do not want to take the time to discuss more in my post, fine, but that really shouldn't lead to dismissing all of it.
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Going by current information, Bungie has not done nearly as well as they could have. Period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is insane. That being said, there is no reason to a) assume they're evil, or b) shit on them for it, as so many are prone to doing. If you think the mistakes that Bungie has made are mistakes, that's great. People -blam!- up. If you can't deal with that, don't play the game. If you can, shit'll be rough but that's how it is. There's just no need for all this drama shit.
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[quote]Going by current information, Bungie has not done nearly as well as they could have. Period. Anyone who tells you otherwise is insane.[/quote] Yep [quote]That being said, there is no reason to a) assume they're evil, [/quote] I've already stated that I do not believe this, and that I have never stated this [quote]or b) shit on them for it, as so many are prone to doing. If you think the mistakes that Bungie has made are mistakes, that's great. People -blam!- up. [/quote] I am not shitting on them. Pointing out mistakes is feedback, these are the feedback forums, therefore anyone who points out mistakes is offering up their feedback. [quote]If you can't deal with that, don't play the game. If you can, shit'll be rough but that's how it is. There's just no need for all this drama shit.[/quote] See now this is the key statement here, as it tells me that you have not read the entirety of my post, and if you had, you were not paying attention to it. I argued in a large section that saying to someone "don't like it don't play it" is a fallacy, and has no place anywhere because it offers absolutely no resolution and no room for growth or understanding between one another. I will not restate what I've already argued further because it has already been stated in my main post, so I refer you to there for a response. You interpret this as drama, but the fact of the matter is that it is the truth. The true feelings and sentiments of customers who are angry for being treated so poorly, and who are giving their feedback expressing said anger as so many people do for topics in this world. I don't know why people interpret it as drama or not important, but with what I've learned about people, I can guess that it has something to do with misunderstanding. Misunderstanding the feelings of another, and not attempting to walk in another shoes. Lack of empathy is the cause, and the root of so much hateful dialogue in this world. This game was important to a lot of people, and they got angry because we were misled in many different ways, and delivered something that was not as advertised. Any consumer delivered something not advertised would be angry, as can be seen on Amazon.com reviews on products. This is not dramatic, this is human emotion, human reaction. It is a naturally occurring thing. What you must know and understand is that just because you do not see this issue as something important, [b]does not[/b] make it any less important to those who see it as an issue. It is simply a difference of opinion, and you can never strip opinions away from anyone just because you view it as unworthy. It is why I have attempted to respect your opinion, even though I disagree with you, because it is your truth.
