Had a guy swear to us that he had cleared the raid several times and a couple others backed him up on this. He wanted to run relic. He missed the last jump several times and came up with a really pathetic excuse. After the raid was over, which we were unable to clear due to his inability and a couple other factors, a buddy of mine checked him and to none of our surprises he had never cleared the raid.
Side note. If you haven't done the raid, that is perfectly fine. But just let the more experienced players know, and we will be more than happy to teach you. Unless you try to lie your way into a group with ridiculous standards. Then you are on your own.
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Haha it's a huge waste of time. That's my biggest complaint. Like you said just let us know, we will teach you. Don't waste our time by wiping 10x or more. It's extremely annoying.
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It is very annoying, yes. I'll never understand it either. I'm just going to assume it's a matter of pride.
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That's what I've always thought at least.