Oh and thanks a ton for this info. Always hated the network side, kinda sad for a .net guy :) so any info at all relating to the network part of destiny is great! Is there any way to use this info to improve the connections? But not to exploit others. Any recommendations in general for improving the connection? Always tend to get Nat 2 or whatever the middle one is, says its common but not great basically. Hoping to fix this common scenario of mine; There's one friend(A) of mine in the NE me(B) south south east. IRL friend(C) a few miles away. A and B in a party talking C joins C can't talk to A B leaves A and C can talk B joins B or C can't talk to A while the other can(I don't know if there is a pattern to making B or C being the one to talk to A. Doubting it's random. Maybe first to connect to him?) Basically, in a console party only B and A can talk or C and A. B and C can always talk. In game chat, most times we can talk. Just that sound quality... :) Any help would be greatly appreciated. I haven't really made in router setting changes. Ever since I switched from Comcast technicolor to arris my major NAT problems cleared up. It's only now that I'm ready to try to clear it up completely. (Used to be on Xbox which is why I switched from technicolor since M$ consoles have known issues with TC routers from Comcast) I know they have a guide. I just don't know how much I trust them to not have me do something that will negatively impact something else. I mean before even researching console connectivity to see that TC routers will very likely cause restricted Nats on XBoxes they just say go do the admin level setting on your ports! Really? That should be last resort before telling the masses just go tinker with your router. Can't imagine how many 13+ y/o jacked up their parents internet! :) I've reached out asking them to add the clause to go swap out the router for free but they ignored me. That's so strange!!! Shit I just kept going. :) sorry for the book! TL;DR: You're awesome, thanks for brain food on destiny p2p network! Can mtu be tweaked as a legit way to improve overall game performance? What do you recommend I do to my network for the absolute best possible connection for destiny? Need to resolve the nat 2 up to the very best Nat (dunno the right terms...). Comcast arris brand router can get model if necessary. Ps4. Thanks.