[quote]Since most of you whiners have the attention span of a newborn chimpanzee, here's a [b]TLDR[/b]: [i]If you whine about Hunters' subclasses, or Titans being OP: it's a you-problem. Check the stats [url=http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population]here[/url], then go work on your skills.[/i] [u]____________________________________[/u] Recently there have been more and more Hunters weeping over their subclasses being too weak. Which is, of course, complete rubbish. Like a Gunslinger with Golden Gun I am here to burst your bubbles of delusion, with facts derived from statistics. Now I know that some of you moaners will dispute the statistics' significance- and by all means do so... But if you have nothing but useless anecdotes to offer, sorry, but you have no case. Let's start by clearing out the demographics in the crucible, across all platforms: 34.2% plays as Hunter 33.6% plays as Warlock 32.2% plays as Titan As you can see, no class is over-represented, thus can we deduce that none of the following stats will be skewed to a point of being unreliable. Top 100 players (by class) 1st place: Hunters at 36.1% 2nd place: Titans at 32.6% 3rd place: Warlocks at 31.3% Congratulations Hunters! You are the undisputed Kings and Queens of the hill. Top 10,000 players (the average Joe, by class) 1st place: Hunters at 35.3% 2nd place: Warlocks at 32.7% 3rd place: Titans at 32% Congratulations Hunters! Yet again you're at the top. Let's break down the subclass demographics: [u]Hunters[/u] 51% Bladedancers 49% Gunslingers [u]Titans[/u] 47% Defenders 53% Strikers [u]Warlocks[/u] 62% Sunsingers 38% Voidwalkers Let's have a look at the AVERAGE KDR: [u]Hunters[/u] Bladedancers > 1 Gunslingers > 1 [u]Titans[/u] Defender < 1 Striker < 1 [u]Warlocks[/u] Voidwalker < 1 Sunsinger < 1 As most of you know, the current PvP meta game consists of an exotic handcannon and a shotgun: 1) Handcannons 1,466,551,647 kills 2) Shotguns 1,441,875,593 kills 3) Melee 1,082,244,380 kills A common complaint is how Titans Shoulder charge is sooooo OP, so let's see who's the worst perpetraitor. 1) Sunsingers 281,325,978 (26% of) melee kills 2) Strikers 193,989,846 (17.93% of) melee kills 3) Bladedancer 175,413,331 melee kills 4) Voidwalker 14.84% 5) Defender 13.65% 6) Gunslinger 11.37% So... Shoulder charge is the problem, but you don't mind being killed by warlocks almost twice as often? Hmm. Gunslingers though, thumbs up if you know how to throw your knife. Now onto the real problem. Arcblade needs a buff right? Or was Golden Gun the useless super? Fist of Havoc is too OP? 1) Bladedancer at 207,596,562 kills (21.73%) 2) Gunslinger at 179,520,390 kills (18.79%) 3) Striker at 178,059,836 kills (18.64%) 4) Sunsinger at 15.71% 5) Voidwalker at 12.60% 6) Defender 12.52% So, now that we've established that Hunters get the absolute highest amount of kills with their supers, I think it's safe to say that you need to stop weeping for nerfs. Seriously, stop. Anyways, the last myth to debunk: Hunter grenades suck, Magnetic grenade and Lightning grenade are OP: 1) Sunsinger at 173,643,166 grenade kills 2) Bladedancer at 129,281,096 grenade kills 3) Gunslinger at 104,629,378 grenade kills 4) Voidwalker at 98,384,135 grenade kills 5) Striker at 90,707,260 grenade kills 6) Defender at 67,964,843 grenade kills Yeeeeeeeeessss... Lightning grenades and Magnetic grenades are the problem... One word: bolt. To any Titan out there being annoyed by Hunters crying and moaning, refer to this thread. [b]Source of information[/b]: Destiny Tracker, downloaded at 12:15 PM on the 27th of August 2015, from http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population [b]Authors note[/b]: Statistics on Destiny Tracker are updated every 15 minutes, and thus people will find differing numbers while cross checking the source. Did I miss anything? Grammar or spelling mistake? Post a comment below! EDIT: [i]On a completely unrelated note. THANK YOU BUNGIE for the great video over at Game Informer. I absolutely loved the return of humour and honesty. You really nailed the description of the community being more like shareholders than hobby gamers. I strongly recommend anyone reading this to look up the Game Informer video (released on the 26th).[/i][/quote] Not mine but this is for those who say Titans are OP Credit o M aiq The Liar

While I agree that the titan melee is too short range... OP, you dig yourself into deeper holes by commenting to people who can't nor want to be reasoned with. Sometimes it's better to save your breath err... keystrokes.

Storm fist combined with the right armour or perks does just fine... Also if you buy the wolf shotgun this week it's perk grants a temporary 25% boost to melee damage after each hit.

I'm not even taking anything into consideration because of your -blam!-ing cringy ass name.

Titan melee is the strongest. If you disagree, you have 0 critical thinking skills. John Cena said it himself, and he is the king of melee. This is total horsecrap. You just want to be right.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. BTW this is coming from someone who mains a titan. Yes there melee is less than desirable but that's because it is situational and takes a lot of practice. Titans melee isn't broken it's just not ment to be there best asset. I love my titan and I wouldn't change it's melee at all. You just need to learn how to play the class.

T-Rex arms

Yes bungie, just nerf us cause we tha sh!t, I wont deny it, im just a riot, u dont wanna fck with me.

Easiest class for me to use. Someone is running in my vicinity while I am too? Shoulder Charge. Someone tries to end my killstreak? Fist of Panic. The only [i]underpowered[/i] thing a titan has is the melee but honestly if your dumb ass is trying to punch someone with a shotgun out you deserve a blast to the face.

I just have to say, that you are contradicting yourself a lot in your rebuttals to others view. You point out the warlock melee several times stating that the overshield is OP and what not but that the titan shoulder charge isn't a melee it's a perk. Well guess what, the overshield is a perk as well. Your post has been entertaining though

If they buff Titians melee them they will have to make their arms longer which would look stupid

What I am killed by the most in terms of meelee 1 warlock 2 Titan 3 hunter

Stop bitching

To everyone pointing out shoulder charge, shut up [spoiler]btw he's talking about regular melee [/spoiler]

I play both warlock and titan and sorry totally disagree with you. I personally think in PvP titan is OP and I known it and as long as they are I'll use them up till they are tweaked down. They get too much defense and are harder to kill while they are doing their super. While a hunter or warlock much easier to stop/kill them when starting a super done it many times..now I have once in a while done it to a titan not nearly or hardly as others. The melees of titan are fine I just in two days straight got my iron banner melee bounties done in a hour or so..in fact I got them done faster then I do on my lock..

I don't think Titans should have more damage resistance during ult because it is already the highest and it's hard enough to kill them, but I can agree with everything else

Shoulder charge is one hit kill and u can pull of all kinds of stupid angles with it

You're mad you have to be in meelee range to meelee someone?