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Mormonism is a Christian Sect that Goes more in depth about God, and the Bible. They believe God is a physical being, Jesus Christ is the son of God, and the Holy Ghost is God's agent who sacrificed his physical body to be able to be felt in many places at the same time. They believe that we as people, and the children of god, will be able to obtain godhood. They believe that the atonement makes it so that we can get to the highest glory without being perfect, but we must still prove ourselves. They believe that God resides in a planet in the Kolob system, and he has become so advanced. They believe God does his work through science. As a man who has read all three books of their church, I can tell you that nothing ever contradicts the Bible, only what other people interpret it. They believe that we all were God's children, even Lucifer and his followers. The kingdoms: Outer darkness: Those who work against God's will. This is where Satan and his followers are right now 3rd degree: This is where those who were sinful, but didn't work against God will reside 2nd degree: This is where those who were sinful, but had no chance to follow will reside 1st degree: divided into 3 more kingdoms, this is where the righteous will reside, the next segment will go even further. This sect is in all ways Christianity, and nowhere in the bible does it say that the Trinity is true. Any further questions?
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  • All of those things are diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity.

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  • Where? Where are they stated to be wrong? You may THINK they are, but they never are said to be wrong.

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  • Here's a few: Many Gods Joseph Smith taught, "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages andthree Gods" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 370; emphasis added). One Trinitarian God The Bible teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God (John 1:1; 20:28) and the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4); and that they are distinct Persons in the Godhead not to be confused with one another (Matthew 28:19; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6). There is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 1 Corinthians 8:4). God, Once a Man, Progressed to Godhood Joseph Smith taught, “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. …I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see… [H]e was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did…” (Ibid., 345, 346; italics in original). God Has AlwaysBeen God God has always been God (Genesis 21:33; Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 40:28). God is spirit, not an exalted man with flesh and bone (John 4:24; Luke 24:39; Hosea 11:9; Numbers 23:19). God does not change (Malachi 3:6), nor does he grow in knowledge (Isaiah 40:13). There is none like him, he is unique, he is the only true God (Exodus 8:10; 2 Samuel 7:22; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8; 45:5, 21-22; 46:9; 1 Corinthians 8:5). (Note that though Jesus, being God, did become human in his incarnation [John 1:1, 14], this is quite different from a man progressing to become a god.) Humans CanBecome Gods Joseph Smith taught, "Here, then, is eternal life to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you" (Ibid., 346). Humans CannotBecome Gods Men cannot become gods (Isaiah 43:10). Man is a created being, unlike God who has always been (Genesis 21:33). God will not share his glory with another (Isaiah 42:8). Humans WereProcreated in thePreexistence M. Russell Ballard wrote, "Before the world was created, we all lived as the spirit children of our Heavenly Father [and Mother]. Through a natural process of inheritance we received in embryo the traits and attributes of our Heavenly Father" (Ballard,Our Search for Happiness, 70). Mormons also infer this from the preexistence of Jesus Christ. Humans WereCreated Humans are created, not procreated, by God (Genesis 1:26; 2:7). Our existence begins in the womb of our mothers (Psalm 139:13). Humans cannot compare themselves to Jesus and his preexistence, for they are not deity by nature, as is Jesus. He preexisted because he is God (Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1; 17:5; Philippians 2:6-7). Jesus alone is from heaven, we are from the earth (John 3:13, 31; 8:23-24). A Complete Apostasy of the Church M. Russell Ballard wrote, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that God's full authority was lost from the earth for centuries following the mortal ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ… In short, the church Christ organized gradually disintegrated, and the fullness of the gospel was lost" (Ibid., 26, 31). The Church Remains Forever In Matthew 16:18 Jesus declared, "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Given that Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth, we can trust that this promise would not fail (Matthew 28:18). While there are several passages that refer to an apostasy, it isnever said to be a universal or complete apostasy (e.g., Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 1 Timothy 4:1). Rather, we know that God will be glorified in the Church throughout all ages (Ephesians 3:21), and that Christians have received a kingdom that cannot be shaken (Hebrews 12:28; cf. Daniel 2:44). The Bible isCorrupted andIncomplete Gordon B. Hinckley wrote, "Latter-day Saints recognize that errors have crept into this sacred work because of the manner in which the book has come to us. Moreover, they regard it as not being complete as a guide" (Hinckley, What of the Mormons?, 26). The Bible isReliable andSufficient God has promised that his word, the Bible, would stand forever (Isaiah 40:3). We know that his word is true (John 17:17), contains wisdom unto salvation, and thoroughly equips Gods people for everygood work (2 Timothy 3:15-17). God has given us everything we need for life and godliness (2 Peter 1:2). Works Necessaryto Live with God Forever (Salvation) M Russell Ballard wrote, "Jesus Christ accomplished two incomparable feats through His atoning sacrifice. First, He conquered death, and as a result all people will have the privilege of everlasting life with a resurrected body. Second, He suffered the burden and pains of our sins so that we might have the privilege of eternal life in the presence of God if we have faith in Christ as our Savior and choose to repent of our sins and keep His commandments" (Ballard, Our Search for Happiness, 88). Salvation is Based on the Righteousness of Christ The Bible never interprets mere resurrection as salvation (John 5:29). Those who receive Jesus will have eternal life, but the wrath of God remains on those who reject him (John 3:36). While Christians are called to keep God's commandments (e.g. John 14:15), salvation is in no way based on our own righteous deeds (Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5-8). It is through the atonement of Christ that we are made perfect (Hebrews 10:13-18). The atonement took place, not in the Garden of Gethsemane but through his blood shed on the cross (Colossians 1:20; 1 Peter 2:24). Heaven (s) There are three heavenly kingdoms: the celestial, terrestrial and telestial. Mormons argue for this belief from 1 Corinthians 15:40-41 and 2 Corinthians 12:2 (where the apostle Paul says he was caught up to the “third heaven”). See “Three Levels of Heaven” under “The Beliefs of Mormonism” above. Heaven The context of 1 Corinthians 15:40-41 is the contrast between resurrection (celestial or heavenly) and pre-resurrection (terrestrial or earthly) bodies, not heavenly kingdoms. The Bible does speak of three heavens: the atmospheric heaven, where birds fly and from which the rains fall (Genesis 7:23;8:2); the astronomic heaven, where the stars and planets reside (Genesis 1:14, 15; 22:17); and the third heaven, the throne of God (Matthew 6:9; Revelation 4:2). Hell Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "Those who live lives of wickedness may also be heirs of salvation, that is, they too shall be redeemed from death and from hell eventually. These, however, must suffer in hell the torments of the damneduntil they pay the price of their sinning, for the blood of Christ will not cleanse them" (Smith,Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, 133-134). Hell One's abode in hell is as eternal as one's abode in heaven (Matthew 25:46). There is no second chance after death (Hebrews 9:27). At the final judgment, men either receive the resurrection of life or the resurrection of condemnation (Daniel 12:2; John 5:29)they are assigned either to heaven or hell.

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  • Most of those were new testament, which were written by Dark Age priest. Plus, I recognize none of those from King's James Version. Also, You also must remember, that you may not be getting the same bible we are. We are the only religion to have Not edited the bible. The bible I got while was a Mormon, which was not edited, had few of those. God: We worship God. We believe that there may be many. We also believe that man is not capable of comprehending how Godhood works. This means anything stated by man about how the godhead works may or may not be valid. They never said we cannot become gods, it says we cannot become God. I'll come back to you on this. I have some business to take care of, so just wait.

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  • I'm not waiting for anything. You can spin things all day long, but you're wrong. Mormon teaching blatantly contradicts the bible.

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  • Edited by The Arxfiend: 9/1/2015 1:37:37 AM
    Ok, let me break each one down for you, and show how you are wrong. Old testament only, as that should be enough. Deuteronomy 6:4: It says that the lord our God is one Lord. Nowhere did it mention Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost. Genesis 21:33: It says Everlasting God. Everlasting means to last forever. Not that it has always been, but will always be from point X forward. Psalms 90:2: Same thing as Genesis. Isaiah 40:28: Same thing. You obviously are brainwashed if you do not understand what Everlasting means. Hosea 11:9: This just means he is not a man. It never mentions his past. Malachi 3:6: Again, no past tense. He said he will not change, not that he has not changed. Isaiah 40:13: This could be 2 things. That he learned on his own, as we must, or the speaker was asking a question. Exodus 8:10: There is none among us like him. 2Samuel 7:22: Did you really just -blam!- up that badly? "What one nation is like thy people," and continues onto what God did. You really screwed up there. Isaiah 40:10: It says that he will rule, and reward is with him and his work. 44:6-8: It says that there is no other God. Proper noun. Meaning name. Not species or whatever. God, as in an individual. 45: Same thing. 43:10: Men cannot become God. God. God. God. Singular. God. Is it rubbing in yet? God. God. Singular. Proper noun. God. not gods. God. Has your faulty logic and teachings been beaten down enough already, or do you think they can go through the rest of the old testament?

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  • You can't be serious? That is some of the worst mangling of Scripture I've ever seen. You can follow your false teaching all you want, but you will be judged. http://bible.com/100/2pe.2.1.nasb But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

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  • Edited by The Arxfiend: 9/1/2015 2:31:19 AM
    Play with forces you don't understand. You blatantly ignored what is right there.. How do you know your teachings are not false? It's God. No one alive knows him, and no one alive knows what those people meant. I hope God is to your liking, just so I can see you in hell. You don't love your fellow man, like Jesus did and the Mormons do. See you there, mother-blam!-er.

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  • So, I don't love my fellow man because I point out the serious flaws in your theology? And I point them out because I want you to truly be saved. And then you turn around and insult me.

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  • Very good synopsis.

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  • As Mormon, I appreciate your openness and and ability to look at things from a different perspective. Thank you

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  • [quote]Mormonism is a Christian Sect that Goes more in depth about God, and the Bible. They believe God is a physical being, Jesus Christ is the son of God, and the Holy Ghost is God's agent who sacrificed his physical body to be able to be felt in many places at the same time. They believe that we as people, and the children of god, will be able to obtain godhood. They believe that the atonement makes it so that we can get to the highest glory without being perfect, but we must still prove ourselves. They believe that God resides in a planet in the Kolob system, and he has become so advanced. They believe God does his work through science. As a man who has read all three books of their church, I can tell you that nothing ever contradicts the Bible, only what other people interpret it. They believe that we all were God's children, even Lucifer and his followers. The kingdoms: Outer darkness: Those who work against God's will. This is where Satan and his followers are right now 3rd degree: This is where those who were sinful, but didn't work against God will reside 2nd degree: This is where those who were sinful, but had no chance to follow will reside 1st degree: divided into 3 more kingdoms, this is where the righteous will reside, the next segment will go even further. This sect is in all ways Christianity, and nowhere in the bible does it say that the Trinity is true. Any further questions?[/quote]

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