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8/2/2015 4:49:49 PM
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Automation is going to replace the human worker eventually.
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This is a prime example of why automation is bad in the short term - it just means less jobs. If someone's been working in a factory for 30 years, they can't suddenly train to be a computer engineer just because that's where the jobs are. If you could instantly replace all jobs with robots so we didn't have to work then that'd be grand, but that's not going to happen.
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[quote]This is a prime example of why automation is bad in the short term - it just means less jobs. If someone's been working in a factory for 30 years, they can't suddenly train to be a computer engineer just because that's where the jobs are. If you could instantly replace all jobs with robots so we didn't have to work then that'd be grand, but that's not going to happen.[/quote] While I agree, I'm also of the thought that humans should still do 95-98% of the labor in all work. The "entitlement" mentality is what's driving companies to want to replace people. I'd have to check but, I remember hearing that what Seattle and other cities are doing was illegal. [spoiler]I'm not 100% sure, I just wanted to confirm for myself. [/spoiler]
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[quote]The "entitlement" mentality is what's driving companies to want to replace people. [/quote]Entitlement of who? Is it the employees who feel entitled to be paid x regardless of overall profit or the employers who feel entitled to x profit regardless of how low standard wages are? Don't get me wrong I have no idea what the sufficient amount of pay in America is, I've never been there I don't know what $15 an hour is worth, but I do know that blaming the employees all the time is a bit silly when the employers hold most of the cards in the first place, as this story clearly shows.
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[quote][quote]The "entitlement" mentality is what's driving companies to want to replace people. [/quote]Entitlement of who? Is it the employees who feel entitled to be paid x regardless of overall profit or the employers who feel entitled to x profit regardless of how low standard wages are? Don't get me wrong I have no idea what the sufficient amount of pay in America is, I've never been there I don't know what $15 an hour is worth, but I do know that blaming the employees all the time is a bit silly when the employers hold most of the cards in the first place, as this story clearly shows.[/quote] Yes, those people. If they feel they are worth more they should prove it by getting a better paying job. I used to work a minimum wage job, then I ended up doing the job that required two people by myself. $9.32 an hour wasn't worth that. So I found a better job that pays $11.25, then there's my shift differential which is $0.50 an hour, plus my pay raise of about $0.40 an hour, and a work incentive on top of that. The problem with these minimum wage employers is that their "attackers" fail to take into account that in order to keep prices low, they have to keep everything else low just to make a profit. If they can't make even a small profit then they go under, congrats employees you're all jobless. It's up to the worker to do something about it, like move on to a better employer.
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[quote]It's up to the worker to do something about it, like move on to a better employer.[/quote]Yes because everyone has the luxury of just being able to switch jobs as and when they please.
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I didn't say that getting my newer job was easy. It's common sense to keep your current job until you find a new one, then give the two week notice.
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Thing is it's not always a case of people making their own situations better. If someone thinks the situation they're in is shitty, and it is due to outside influences, that person may think about the people after them who will have to endure a similarly shitty situation (it's rare these days but not everyone is completely egocentric). Because you getting another job doesn't stop your previous employer paying low wages, so nothing really changes. You've just passed the shit stick on to someone else and said "here you deal with it I'm off to powder my nose." If there is a legitimate problem it should be dealt with properly not just passed down the generations like everything else in society. Or do we legitimately think everyone who gets paid less than us is lazier than us?
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Because we all have to start somewhere.
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That doesn't stop progress anywhere else in society. The first TV people buy doesn't have to be one from the 1950s, even cheap modern TVs have 100+ channels as standard and a high resolution. Why should other people start on sub-par wages just because you did? Spite that they may actually have a better job than you did?
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Nobody has to start like I did.
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Well you did. Unless you're going to tell me you turned down a better-paying job for a shittier one.
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Well I did what? Got a better job because my previous one was shit, huh? Is that the wrong thing to do? Oh, congratulations you think you deserve more just because? That's not how it works, min. wage goes up, prices go up.
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You said no one has to start out like you did. Well you had to start out like you did, clearly, and you aren't special, so unless you had a choice, other people who start out like you did won't have a choice either. And higher wages only affect prices because of businesses feeling they're entitled to massive profits. You think McDonalds hasn't got enough money to afford higher wages and keep prices low? Joke of the decade right there. You wouldn't allow wages to increase for those on the lowest wages, and you'd allow big businesses to generate massive profits from it. You tell the poorest they need to work harder and the richest they can be lazier and profit off the hard working poor. -blam!- you. If you hadn't noticed this is the same argument you're using against employees and it's riddled with holes. For every business I could name with plenty of money to spare for higher wages, you could name one with not enough money that would need to raise prices. For every person you could name that doesn't deserve higher wages for the job they do, I could name one that literally can't survive on the wages they earn but can't change jobs, and therefore need them raised. It's a shitty hamster wheel of a game that gets us nowhere.
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[quote]You said no one has to start out like you did. Well you had to start out like you did, clearly, and you aren't special, so unless you had a choice, other people who start out like you did won't have a choice either.[/quote] I started working at 16, 5 long years ago. After a bunch of applications and 3 interviews, I finally got a job. I had no choice in who hired me, just that I wanted to work there. If you want a job or not is a choice, if you want a better job is also a choice. [quote]And higher wages only affect prices because of businesses feeling they're entitled to massive profits. You think McDonalds hasn't got enough money to afford higher wages and keep prices low? Joke of the decade right there.[/quote] Do you like being economically illiterate? Wages affect prices because wages eat up a large part of business income, profits have nothing to do with it. [quote]You wouldn't allow wages to increase for those on the lowest wages, and you'd allow big businesses to generate massive profits from it. You tell the poorest they need to work harder and the richest they can be lazier and profit off the hard working poor. [/quote] Their profits would remain the same prior to the wage going up because they are now paying more for wages, even if their income is higher. Yes, I would tell them to work harder because they need to be built up not pitied. It's drummed into my head from birth, that hard work and a good work ethic are everything. [quote]-blam!- you! [/quote] Real classy right there. [quote]If you hadn't noticed this is the same argument you're using against employees and it's riddled with holes. For every business I could name with plenty of money to spare for higher wages, you could name one with not enough money that would need to raise prices. For every person you could name that doesn't deserve higher wages for the job they do, I could name one that literally can't survive on the wages they earn but can't change jobs, and therefore need them raised. It's a shitty hamster wheel of a game that gets us nowhere.[/quote] *dramatic gasp* I'm shocked, did you really figure that out without having to find out. We're done here.
