I'm not sure what you're getting at, but what I mean is that the Last Word has a glitch where you get the hip-fire damage even when you ADS.

Sigh... Thorn- 56+7x6 base damage 84+7x6 precision Last Word- 56 base damage 84 ADS precision 111 from Hip precision It's not a consistent proc of 111 when ADS, happens randomly per clip. There is no bonus damge as the first part of the perk states but the occasional 111 acts as luck in the chamber esq hidden perk, if there was bonus damage it would hit harder than the Thorn. The extra precision damage from the hip part works just fine as it procs constantly. The real bug besides the broken perk is the delayed fire, swap weapons, hold trigger, swap back, twirl-deet di di-bang bang

[quote]It's not a consistent proc of 111 when ADS, happens randomly per clip.[/quote] This is not even how it works. The "Glitch" happens when you are shooting as you transition from hip-fire to ADS. For a microsecond after you begin to ADS the game still registers the trigger being pulled while hip-firing. It NEVER happens when you are already aiming the weapon. This is a lag issue and can be addressed pretty easily by changing the timing on how shots register in the backend.

I don't care how it's supposed to happen, my experience has had it act like luck in the chamber. If people are being like a clucking tweaker on that ADS trigger to force it, so be it. It still doesn't consistently proc like people are acting, which was my point. The perk is broken, we get no bonus damage. Thorn hits for the same damage with the same impact. Other half the perk works just fine as every precision hit hip fired deals 111. If you count the occasional 111 from ADS as the bonus damage that was already stated then it is no big deal as it's still less potential damage than it would have if the perk was working as it states.

[quote]I don't care how it's supposed to happen, my experience has had it act like luck in the chamber.[/quote] It isn't supposed to happen, it is a problem with their coding that can be fixed pretty easy. When did I ever say that this is something they intended? The perk isn't broken by the way, it's bonus damage and stability when firing from the hip, and bonus precision damage when firing from the hip. It is worded poorly and should be fixed. The other thing to note is that even if you have a random proc for 111 damage, it still takes 3 headshots to kill most guardians. 111 + 84 (with AB) is only enough to kill a few select full speed hunters, it still takes one more hit to kill everyone else.

I didn't say you said anything... I was making a statement based on what the perk says vs. what it's doing. "Bonus damage and stability." Doesn't cause any bonus damage, no extra little damage counter like everything else that say it causes bonus damage, no additional damage over what the impact numbers say it supposed to. "Extra precision damage when firing from the hip." Just shy of 2x precision modifier, consistently procs damage. If it was just supposed to be "Extra Precision" there would be no reason for the wording at the beginning of the perk.