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6/23/2015 11:24:03 AM
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I hate the "Yor and Ward are the same person" theory.
The cape of Dredgen Yor clearly says that Yor ruled the Crucible with his Thorn. He was a different person.
Yor became corrupted by the Thorn, he killed Thalor and Pahanin, and Ward was tasked to hunt him down. Yor and his Thorn killed Ward and his Last Word, Shin picked up the Last Word and eventually hunted down and killed Yor.
What is also obvious: Dredgen Yor and Jared Ward clearly fought in a wide opened area. Thorn is going to crush The Last Word there. But Shin fought Yor in a canyon, as mentioned in the Last Word description--- brilliant strategy! They were probably at the bottom of the canyon, where the cliffs converge, not a lot of room for Yor to move around--- the Last Word is going to CRUSH Thorn at that range.
Shin is a smart guardian.
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I'm a month late to the conversation, but I hate the Yor and Ward are the same person theory as well. Since someone else mentioned Anakin/Vader, I'll start there. It was lazy when Lucas did it, it would be even worse if Bungie did it. If you read The Last Word 3 - Shin heard the gunfight between Yor and Ward. He heard two distinct weapons Sooooo ... Was Jaren Ward carrying both The Last Word and Thorn? Did he fire shots from both weapons to fake a gun fight and his own death? Not likely. Why? If you continue reading, several hours go by and Ward's Ghost returns, without Ward. The Ghost shines it's light on Shin Malphur, adopting him as it's new Guardian. So if Jaren Ward became Dredgen Yor, where did Dredgen Yor come up with a new Ghost? What Ghost you ask? Read Thorn 3. Contrary to what people have suggested, the conversation in Thorn 3 is not between Dredgen Yor and Shin Malphur. The conversation is between Dredgen Yor and his Ghost. The header of the conversation tells you that. Two parties in the conversation, party one Ghost-type, party two Guardian-type. So again if Jaren became Dredgen, he had to acquire a new Ghost some where, since Jaren's Ghost sought out Shin when Jaren died. Since Ghosts choose us, it's a safe conclusion that Dredgen Yor didn't just pick up a new Ghost when he changed his name. Yes, Dredgen Yor was once known by another name. He competed in the Crucible using the name of Dredgen Yor. He would not have been allowed to compete in the Crucible AFTER murdering other Guardians.
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Jaren Ward is Dredgen Yor that's why their names are so similar, Jaren is warped and looses the fight to his own darkness becoming the monster Dredgen, think Anakin sky walker to darth vader the sub text is all there just read into it.
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I have. And I don't believe it.
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Don't forget. This was pre-buff Thorn. Yor ruled the crucible with a gun that takes a half hour to reload and kicks like a rocket launcher and with six rounds in the mag to boot. Shin Malphur must have been skilled as he was smart.
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Haha rekt
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I thought jaren gave shin tlw long before all this..
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Jaren let a child (presumed to be Shin) hold his weapon--- presumably because he saw that Shin had the light to be a Guardian. I don't think he actually "gave" him that weapon right then and there. But hey, nothing says he didn't.
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He gave it to shin to hold, and then his shins dad shook his head no, then a couple more days pass, and Jaren adopts Shin, which explains why Shin calls Jaren his third father and when older, possibly his closest friend. Then Dredgen Yor appears in like 8 years or something and Jaren gets beaten by Dredgen Yor in a 1v1, and then Jaren's ghost goes to shin, and gives shin Jaren's weapon of choice, The Last Word. Shin then realized what happened and gets really ticked off at Dredgen Yor. Then a little later, (like a week or something) Shin finds Yor at Dwindler's Ridge and kills Yor and saying his famous words of his third father, Jaren Ward before he was killed. "Yours, not mine" and then finishes Yor off, avenging Ward.
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Ward is Yor. It is all in Thorn 3. At the top of the card it associates 2 guns with 3 people. Malphur with The Lat Word. Thorn with Ward and Yor. The kicker here is the word velor that comes before Ward's name. Velor is a latin word. It is the present participle for the verb velo. Velo means to hide or conceal with a veil. This pretty much shows Ward was being concealed by Yor for they are the same person. My theory is TLW 3 takes place the same night as Thorn 3. In Thorn 3 Yor/Ward is talking to his ghost sending him away. In TLW 3 Yor/Ward fired the guns to show Malphur where he was and where TLW got left behind. In TLW2 Malphur states the facts does not match the reality. This is because Yor and Ward are the same person.
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You're misreading that. It is just throwing associations. It is not connecting the gun with any people. ASSOCIATIONS: Breaklands; Durga; Last Word; Malphur, Shin; North Channel; Palamon; Thorn; Velor; Ward, Jaren; WoS; Yor, Dredgen; Notice the semi-colon after every word. It is just associations, nothing connecting anything. That is why Velor and WoS are thrown between the two.
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Did you even read the definition of velor?
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Edited by njl4515: 6/24/2015 1:50:11 AMI did, but I think it means extremely little and you're trying to find things that aren't there. It is either a name or place, like literally everything else on the list. Of course, you could be right, but I just think you're trying to find things that arent there. I don't buy it.
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Where does it say that Ward was tasked with hunting Yor? All we know is that Ward has ceased to exist and Yor came to be. In this universe it's not uncommon for guardians to die only to be resurrected so why couldn't Ward's ghost bring him back to life? The problem with assuming the Yor and Ward are different people is that there's no good explanation for who Yor was before he took that name. We know he was one of the most upstanding and well-regarded guardians and yet the only guardian Bungie takes the time to describe in that manner is Ward.... Maybe they'll reveal that it's someone else. But if it is, then they failed with the story. Why should I care about Yor's previous identity if it wasn't Ward? Why redact his name in Thorn 3 if I'm not going to have any clue who they're talking about anyway?
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Well said dude.
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Ha, now I will say--- it does not say that Ward and his group were hunting Yor. Good catch.
