It's actually marketed at the collectors of destiny (old players) that have to have everything, so they buy 40$ extra to get it. Cold move

The DLC is overpriced anyway. I guarantee when it releases it will be the same reskinned weapons, armour and ships

Don't play shooters or action-RPGs much?

Yes actually and they are the main games I play, with RPGs the key with loot is variety and a deep RPG element. Destiny fails on all levels and there is no excuse for the rehashing old items etc

RPGs and action-RPGs are not the same.

Some people will defend lazy developing until the cows come home it seems

After nearly 40 years of gaming....I have very clear notions ofwhat I like and what I don't like. Giving me lots of things I don't like, or that I don't value does not win my dollars. I play games to PLAY. I like games with deep, rewarding mechanics. Lots of replayability...and smooth, immersive control. Destiny fits that bill for me...and therefore I reward them with my dollars. YMMV. If Destinty doesn't do it for you....then, by all means, go spend you money elsewhere.

[quote]I like games with deep, rewarding mechanics. Lots of replayability[/quote] Since when did Destiny fit that description?

To me its a shameless issue that ppl that have played the game since the beta are going to have to pay up to $80 dollars (which is outrageous) in order to get everything. Most of that stuff I could care less about... shaders, emotes... whatever. But class exotics with XP bonuses? That is something I would want... but I am sure as shit not playing ANOTHER $40 dollars for it. Its shameless Bungie should be putting ppl that have stuck with their game for this long in this position.

Entitlement.

Entitlement? Lol... do you work for Bungie KG? Entitlement has nothing to do with it. Its exactly how myself and hundreds here have been calling it. But ya know, dont take my word for it... head on over to Forbes, Ign, Gamespot, or perhaps best of all... PLANET DESTINY. All have articles calling out Bungie for this marketing scheme. And when a website that actually wrote articles on how to learn to love Destiny's repetition or better yet deal with burn out, starts calling you out... its pretty egregious.

Actually, Entitlement has everything to do with it. Its the expectation that you are entitled to the fruits of the labors of OTHERS without having to give them fair/market value compensation for it in return. Frankly, I don't care who is" calling Bungie out. This entire generation in general----and the videogame media in particular---is sick and toxic. They demand more and more from videogame developers----without regard to the costs in terms of dollars and man-hours of labor to produce the product. While at they same time they are unwilling to PAY any more money for the premiums they demand. NO other industry would tolerate this. They'd simply raise prices and tell their consumers to deal with it...and if they were unwilling to pay the price increase, they'd just stop making the product. Likewise, what Bungie is doing here is a ridiculously common practice in other businesses. Existing customers NEVER get the deals that get offered to new customers. NO one year old product (Destiny) can command the price that it did when it was new. The whining is childish and self-centered. Bungie is doing this to keep a steady supply of new gamers coming to Destiny to replace the ones who leave. Bungie needs those gamer's dollars to fund the development of the new content, and the ongoing support for this game that you selfishly take for granted. But Bungie is trying to get them to buy into a game where new people may have to sink a hundred hours or more of play time into the game JUST to get to the point where they can play the current material. They are sweetening the deal in an effort to get people to do this...and in recognition of the depreciated value of vanilla Destiny in the marketplace after a year. The world is just bigger than you, and what you want. Destiny was designed to appeal to a particular type of gamer.....one who takes satisfaction in finding new ways to challenge themselves with familiar material. Anyone whose ever dedicated themselves to a SPORT is familiar with that dynamic. But not everyone is WIRED that way biologically. Some people need more variety and more "newness" in order not to get bored and restless. If you are that type of person....then this game is not for youu...and it never will be. Either don't PLAY IT.....or only play it occasionally...and intersperse it with OTHER games designed for gamers of your temperment.

[quote]Its the expectation that you are entitled to the fruits of the labors of OTHERS without having to give them fair/market value compensation for it in return. [/quote] So by that rational, you believe $40 is a fair market value for the blood sweat and tears that these poor poor under-appreciated developers poured into 3 shaders, class specific emotes, and 3 class specific exotics? [quote]Frankly, I don't care who is" calling Bungie out. This entire generation in general----and the videogame media in particular---is sick and toxic. They demand more and more from videogame developers----without regard to the costs in terms of dollars and man-hours of labor to produce the product. While at they same time they are unwilling to PAY any more money for the premiums they demand.[/quote] Yes yes poor Bungie, they are so put upon. They aren't a company that is making huge profit margins off their PRODUCT. They are artists struggling to make ends meet as the world of video game developer competition spirals out of control. Players demand more and more in the name of progress and they are working their hands to the bone just to put bread on the table... are you really that naive? You can dismiss the pitfalls of modern video game media all you want (and there are valid reasons for doing so)... but when a house is on fire, and you walk up to the crowd gathered and everyone is talking about the burning house, do you say: "I am not sure the house is on fire, I dont buy into popular opinion." I understand making up your own mind, you should, and most ppl dont. But when a vast majority of people are coming to the same conclusion about something. Especially when its vastly different groups like critics and fanboys alike, perhaps its worth the investigation as to why? [quote]NO other industry would tolerate this. They'd simply raise prices and tell their consumers to deal with it...and if they were unwilling to pay the price increase, they'd just stop making the product. [/quote] Because Bungie can afford to just stop making Destiny? They have other IP they are working on, making money off of to support themselves? They arent in an obligatory contract with a publisher that they have the freedom to do that? So that business model (although it doesnt apply to business really) certainly doesnt apply here. [quote]Likewise, what Bungie is doing here is a ridiculously common practice in other businesses. Existing customers NEVER get the deals that get offered to new customers. NO one year old product (Destiny) can command the price that it did when it was new. [/quote] This is true, and I agree with this. And I think here is the inherent issue you seem to be missing. The collector's editions are aimed at NEW players. To entice them to play and they get everything. Thats fine, makes sense. Thats not the problem. As in my OP I stated, its the fact that if you are a veteran... and have payed for all the 'fruits of labor and man power' as you say, along the way to this point and you want the in game exclusive bonuses offered with the collectors editions, you have NO OTHER OPTION than to shell out $80. Basically $40 for TTK and $40 for the in game exclusives (which is ridiculous... and no not worth it fair market). Its the fact that there isnt an option to veterans to obtain the Collector's exclusives without essentially paying for things we have already bought once. Take it slow... if ppl with gamertags like YeBluntZ can get it, you can too! Its a shitty show of appreciation to veteran players... whether directly (exploitative) or indirectly (dismissive). [quote]The whining is childish and self-centered. Bungie is doing this to keep a steady supply of new gamers coming to Destiny to replace the ones who leave. Bungie needs those gamer's dollars to fund the development of the new content, and the ongoing support for this game that you selfishly take for granted. But Bungie is trying to get them to buy into a game where new people may have to sink a hundred hours or more of play time into the game JUST to get to the point where they can play the current material. The world is just bigger than you, and what you want. [/quote] Sooooo what you are saying is Bungie needs to sell their product... so they ARE a business. And they also NEED their consumers (or new ones at least). So your previous business model is worthless. And for the record... Bungie SOLD me their content and I BOUGHT it... I can do whatever the -blam!- I want with it. I can whine, congratulate, burn, praise, bash, love, or hate it if I want to. And I can do it all selfishly if I want to... because I OWN it. You have your head backwards, I dont NEED Bungie... or Destiny for that matter. But you know what? They sure as shit need US. Any player could walk away from Destiny today and they would not fall over dead... but you know who would? You know who needs our support, and more importantly our money, to survive? Now with that relationship in mind, is it really selfish to voice one's disapproval at the way their funding is being used? [quote]Destiny was designed to appeal to a particular type of gamer.....one who takes satisfaction in finding new ways to challenge themselves with familiar material. Anyone whose ever dedicated themselves to a SPORT is familiar with that dynamic.[/quote] According to Bungie themselves, Destiny was designed for all kinds of players. I cant tell you how laughable the fact you just tried to compare Destiny to playing a sport. [quote]Some people need more variety and more "newness" in order not to get bored and restless. [/quote] Yeah its called not being Autistic.

1. No. But instead running on-line and complaining, I'll be doing something far more effective. Simply NOT BUYING. Just because someone ASKS a price for something, doesn't mean I'm forced to pay that price. But then I don't feel that I'm entitled to the product either. So I'm quite comfortable in simply walking away from the deal. 2. You clearly have a problem with capitalism....and that has nothing to do with Bungie. Bungie has a LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to do whatever they can reasonably do to make the business as profitable as possible. Its called "Fiduciary responsibility." If the leadership at Bungie fail to do this, they an be successfully sued in court, and forced to pay damages to investors. 3. Bungie itself is not....but Activision is VERY much in a position to walk away from this. It would hurt...and they would lose money....but no one has Activision by the short-hairs here. And they are the ones who are driving the bus where the marketing and distribution of Destiny is concerned. 4. I understand it just fine. Bungie did this because they expected there to be NO DEMAND for these things by long term players....other than a few completionists and pack-rats. I certainly won't be shelling out any money for those things. Because none of them have any long-term value. The only thing I still use that I got for pre-ordering, being a beta tester, a Day One player (etc....) is the Blacksmith SHADER. Everything else is useless to me at this point in the game. ...adn the things Bungie is offering in those sets are to speed new players along in their ability to catch up and be able to play the NEW content, and hopefully become long-term Destiny players. 5. Actually not. Because you're under the misguided notion that all consumers look at the situation the same way you do. They don't. Other businesses understadn and recognize the notion of market "segments'...and that one consumer's meat is another one's poison. To put it bluntly, Yes, Bungie needs US. But they don't need ME or YOU specifically. 6. Dont' believe everything you hear. Bungie's/Activision's marketing strategy says otherwise. 7. Now you're just being ignorant of what is a established science.

Its not entitlement, its expecting them deliver decent content at an affordable price, and for collectors to not get ripped off

Al those buzzwords mean different things to different people. ...and I'm not getting ripped off. My vault will barely hold the things I use, and the items I still wear. All the "commemorative" gear that I was given as a beta tester and a Day One player have LONG since been either dismantled or sitting unused at the postmaster. ...and what things they will be giving us this time around, will probably----quickly----have a similar fate. The complaining is simply TIRESOME. Videogames are the best value in entertainment....and are by such a laughably wide margin....that it's really getting to be trying having to listen to all the entitled whining. Try going out into the marketplace and buying ANY OTHER form of entertainment for pennies-per-hour....and see how far you get. (Hint.....don't bother to leave home.)

Just because video games may be the best value for entertainment (and thats pretty subjective, but lets say its true) doesnt mean we arent allowed to have opinions or voice our complains... especially in the appropriate place like a feedback forum. If it is so tiresome, why even come here? The market value price of games was decided long ago to maximize profits... the game developers dont need your pity. It was simple "What was the highest price they could sell for the most people?" Was it better to sell a game for $100 to 5 people or $50 to 20 people? I dont want to ruin the surprise for you.

1. You have to right to express your opinion. I have a right to express my opinion about YOUR opinion. 2. I come here because I refuse to abandon the field to the complainers and malcontents. 3. No..that's not how this process works. Market value is determined by what developers believe they can sell a product at, and still make a good profit....and milllions of individual consumers making a decision about whether or not that price represents a good value. Based upon supply and demand. 4. There is no set answer to that question.....because BOTH approaches are viable marketing/branding strategies. Porsche or Ferarri are successful by selling very expensive, difficult to make, high-quality products to a few people. Honda and Toyota are successful in selling modest-priced, well-made, but few-frills products to lots of people. So the key isn't what price you charge in absolute terms...but understanding the wants and needs of the people in the segment of hte market you are selling to. What they value enough to pay for...and what they don't...and how that affects your ability to make a profit.