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originally posted in:Secrets of Destiny
6/12/2015 7:54:00 PM
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Shows why Ward and Yor are the same person, Ward was a hunter that besides wielding The Last Word also made a gun called Rose that would later become Thorn after his corruption
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Edited by SAIYAN-OPERATOR: 8/11/2015 7:12:15 AMlol so wrong. bruh, do you even lore?
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The grimoire specifically contradicts them being the same person. Yor gets rid of his ghost on Mars, while jarens ghost goes to shin on earth immediately following his death. This is right from the grimoire, showing its impossible for them to be the same person. Also, about the whole thorn/rose thing, the grimoire implies that the thorn/rose always actually looked the same, but until he gave into the darkness Yor perceived it as rose when it was actually thorn.
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If someone can manage proof that Ward has Rose, I'm completely on board with the theory.
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Edited by Shin Memephur: 6/12/2015 8:07:50 PMThorn 1 grimoire card talks about Jaren Ward and him becoming Dredgen Yor and Rose becoming Thorn: The noble man stood. And the people looked to him. For he was a beacon - hope given form, yet still only a man. And within that truth there was great promise. If one man could stand against the night, then so too could anyone - everyone. In his strong hand the man held a Rose. And his aura burned bright. When the man journeyed on, the people remembered. In his wake hope spread. But the man had a secret fear. His thoughts were dark. A sadness crept from the depths of his being. He had been a hero for so long, but pride had led him down sorrow's road. Slowly the shadows' whisper became a voice, a dark call, offering glories enough to make even the brightest Light wander. He knew he was fading, yet he still yearned. On his last day he sat and watched the sun fall. His final thoughts, pure of mind, if not body, held to a fleeting hope - though they would suffer for the man he would become, the people would remember him as he had been. And so the noble man hid himself beneath a darkness no flesh should touch, and gave up his mortal self to claim a new birthright. Whether this was choice, or destiny, is a truth known only to fate. In that cool evening air, as dusk was devoured by night, the noble man ceased to exist. In his place another stood. Same meat. Same bone. But so very different. The first and only of his family. The sole forbearer and last descendent of the name Yor. In his first moments as a new being, he looked down at his Rose and realized for the first time that it held no petals: only the jagged purpose of angry thorns.
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[quote]Thorn 1 grimoire card talks about Jaren Ward and him becoming Dredgen Yor and Rose becoming Thorn: The noble man stood. And the people looked to him. For he was a beacon - hope given form, yet still only a man. And within that truth there was great promise. If one man could stand against the night, then so too could anyone - everyone. In his strong hand the man held a Rose. And his aura burned bright. When the man journeyed on, the people remembered. In his wake hope spread. But the man had a secret fear. His thoughts were dark. A sadness crept from the depths of his being. He had been a hero for so long, but pride had led him down sorrow's road. Slowly the shadows' whisper became a voice, a dark call, offering glories enough to make even the brightest Light wander. He knew he was fading, yet he still yearned. On his last day he sat and watched the sun fall. His final thoughts, pure of mind, if not body, held to a fleeting hope - though they would suffer for the man he would become, the people would remember him as he had been. And so the noble man hid himself beneath a darkness no flesh should touch, and gave up his mortal self to claim a new birthright. Whether this was choice, or destiny, is a truth known only to fate. In that cool evening air, as dusk was devoured by night, the noble man ceased to exist. In his place another stood. Same meat. Same bone. But so very different. The first and only of his family. The sole forbearer and last descendent of the name Yor. In his first moments as a new being, he looked down at his Rose and realized for the first time that it held no petals: only the jagged purpose of angry thorns.[/quote] And so the noble man hid himself beneath a darkness no flesh should touch, and gave up his mortal self to claim a new birthright. Whether this was choice, or destiny, is a truth known only to fate. [spoiler] xyor the unwed?[/spoiler]
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Do you think Jaren faked his own death? So much so that even his own adopted son doesn't know he turned into Yor? Not even us? The shoot out in the forest just makes no sense to me. Why would both Last Word and Thorn be shooting? Is it crazy to say Last Word turned into Thorn? Bungie did say Last Word was the Yin in the Destiny world while Thorn was the Yang. But the grimorie described Thorn as a hero's weapon.....the noble man.....Rose....it's all so confusing! We need more Grimoire cards!
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[quote]Do you think Jaren faked his own death? So much so that even his own adopted son doesn't know he turned into Yor? Not even us? The shoot out in the forest just makes no sense to me. Why would both Last Word and Thorn be shooting? Is it crazy to say Last Word turned into Thorn? Bungie did say Last Word was the Yin in the Destiny world while Thorn was the Yang. But the grimorie described Thorn as a hero's weapon.....the noble man.....Rose....it's all so confusing! We need more Grimoire cards![/quote]Rose was noble until it was corrupted by hive darkness
