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Edited by Wintr:
6/5/2015 7:51:48 AM
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My issue with Thorn, in Bungie's own words
This is taken from the Bungie Weekly Update, 17th of October, 2014 (The one about the Auto rifle nerfs and various other tweaks)
"According to the notes we published, our work may have resulted in either a slight increase or decrease in the deadliness of your go-to weapon. It’s a safe bet that you’re wondering why. We understand that curiosity.
Let’s talk about why we do these things. I’ve talked to a lot of our developers about the update that went live. The main theme that emerged from every conversation can be summarized like this:
[b]“There should be no single answer for how to win in Destiny.”[/b]
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Balance is not about everyone being equal, but rather that not everybody is doing the exact same thing. If everyone is doing the same exact thing, something is not balanced. Everybody is trying to pursue the same unbalanced thing. "
I would love some discussion as opposed to salty memes and dank Thorn using dissenters.
<3
Edit: #gameofthorns
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5 RepliesSome people who could actually develop a good argument against nerfing it don't respond because everyone gangs up on it. First off, do we not learn from our mistakes? We saw a shit ton of nerf Vex and nerf SUROS and it got us to where we are today. So you think we would learn that nerfing a gun isn't the best solution? Nope, we want to nerf any and every gun that seems a little too easy to get a kill. Sure, Thorn's DOT is cheap, but I can tell you that the DOT gets me maybe 3/20 kills. The rest is precision shots and body shots combined. I don't trust the DOT. Why shouldn't we buff other weapon classes for a wider variety? If we nerf Thorn (which will nerf all hand cannons subsequently) not only will a new best gun emerge, but we will see "Bring back my Thorn!" Posts all over the forums. You also ruin it for people that play PvE, where hand cannons are extremely good for taking out enemies. It's dumb that we can't ever learn from our mistakes and see that nerfing guns has never and will never get us anywhere. There are SUPPOSED to be a "best" gun in PvP games. Notice that in this game it's actually a lot harder to obtain than in games like Call of Duty where you hit a certain level or rank or whatever it's called in that game and it just falls into your lap.
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3 RepliesThorn isn't as op as everyone thinks, as you still need to be skilled at shooting to make it effective, I have gone against many ppl with the thorn and taken them out with the vex or red death simply because they can't land their shots. The ppl who are good with thorn would be good with most other hand cannon, scout rifles and pulse rifles due to their skill level not the torn being op. Leave the thorn where it is and I will keep knocking them down.
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3 RepliesBan all exotics from PvP
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1 ReplyI don't really get it. I used to crush with thorn last year. That was my jam. Now I can't use it. I feel it so easily gets outclassed by better weapons now, especially last word. I literally have trouble getting two kills a game when it used to be fifteen. Now it's all about pulse rifles. Anyone else feel this way?
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If they dont nerf Thorn i want a last word with 13 rounds in the mag and hawkmoon with 7 lucky shots.
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4 RepliesIf you can't counter thorn you do suck. Personally I use thorn and I ALWAYS get killed my MIDNA Multi tool.
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7 RepliesThorns overpowered and should be nerfed I've been with plenty of great pvp teams but go against a team of full thorns and we just get destroyed
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I have a thorn, I don't run thorn, I don't mind any one using it
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I accept the fact that I'm a noob for using Thorn, but at least once I get flawless I avoid trials
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I still feel the last word is a better hand cannon
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You could use the fact it has close range sights to your advantage
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DONT NERF THORN JUST MAKE OTHER GUNS A BIT BETTER! Lol
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Honestly the thorn is OP for one reason and it's the burn it's a rareity I lose a firefight against a thorn but the damage over time is another story anyone can get 2 headshots with a handcannon and after that burn kills you lower the damage of the burn and maybe lower the time and you have a balanced gun
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1 ReplyPersonally I agree that the thorn is overpowered I disagree that it should be nerfed if it does it looses its place as an exotic. Remember people exotics are overpowered for a reason.
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Edited by theIdealBroccoli: 6/13/2015 10:00:09 AMI think they should nerf it [b]only[/b] in PvP. For PvE the buff was a godsend, so please bungie if your going to need it, don't needy in in PvE as well.
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2 Repliesi own thorn solo'd its bounty and went through hell to get it.. twice BUT.. to people that use its exotic status as an excuse for it being extremely op in pvp. i don't give a damn how rare/hard to get something is it shouldn't be able to dominate pvp. there must be balance. it can be op where being op is ok. in pve. make it great in pve as a staple of its exotic status and make it average in pvp because pvp shouldn't be full of guns that can overpower all others it needs balance.
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7 RepliesHow can people defend this thing? Have you guys ever played trials? Do you inspect the other teams? 3 thorns 3 thorns 3 thorns 2 thorns and a red dea... Oh wait no he switched. 80 percent of ppl use thorns, not a coincidence, that's not balanced. But I suppose the bounty to get it isn't exactly simple. So I stopped complaining got a thorn and shot back.
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9 RepliesIf you can't counter Thorn then you suck more than me...and that's pretty bad.
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Adapt and overcome! And most of all stop your whining!
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Just stop the damnable burn damage [i]after[/i] I kill the wielder with my timepiece. I have blatantly won many firefights, only to die to a stupid gimmick.
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1 ReplyHave never seen any 2 players use the exact same weapon the exact same way. Ever.
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2 RepliesThis can be fixed 2 ways, buff auto damage, nerf hc ranger to below scout. Done
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Auto rifles are the only real problem
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They should buff auto rifles
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Says it all.
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5 RepliesEdited by RavenousDusk: 6/11/2015 6:46:29 PMI think thorn Needs a nerf not until it's useless but until at least until the majority of players can counter it with another weapon but not always win the fight
