Appreciate the feedback Ant'. All useful. I think it's super important that we look to engage and grow the active people within the Group. Getting new blood in therefore will really help with this. To that end I'll look at doing some VoG only runs for those still needing the gear. Just be aware that the Helms only drop in Hard. As for new people coming onboard from HoW's. I think Rub still frequents the EG forums, and so maybe well placed to go on a recruitment drive! I think it's also important that we cater to everyone in the group as much as possible, whether they be veterans or scrubs like me. The Triple Crota runs were specifically started with that in mind, up up skill those who hadn't been sword bearing before and ensure more people could be confident with it. Continue the great feedback and we'll implement what we can. As for the early Raid starts. Possibly, but I imagine most of us are at work?

Was more thinking of weekends for potential early morning raids. Just wondering whether a morning might work better for some people some of the time? I'm often up by 9am at the latest on weekends so I can equally do mornings or evenings. Probably find that weekend morning raids aren't really wanted because evenings do work well. But there might be some people secretly pining for an earlier start :) I wasn't aware the helmets only drop on HM for VoG! I came to Destiny relatively "late", so VoG passed me by to some extent. I've only run NM to completion in VoG twice. I wouldn't mind having a go at the Relic on the Templar, and HM doesn't seem like the place for that, but maybe the NM triple isn't such a great idea after all. I don't know the answer there - anyone else have any feelings one way or the other? I need a Fatebringer anyway, so would definitely be up for more HM VoG in general, but it's a long enough raid that the existing structure might well still be the best way to approach any HM runs... Also I'll just speak up in support of the Crota NM triple. I know it's "only" NM, and that HM is "the challenge". But personally I find the extra challenge in HM is just Bungie making life awkward, rather than any real tactical considerations. My availability on Wednesdays is limited - I'd happily sign up for a Crota NM triple on another day of the week that I could make. Although I'd probably want to subject you all to my dodgy sword-bearing though so I can get better at it, so you might want to disregard that suggestion ;-) Another thought occurs: Crucible. Now *obviously* Crucible is The Devil, and lots of people here despise it (possibly rightly so). But having dipped my toe in recently to start plodding towards some of the exotic bounties, I didn't find it nearly as objectionable as I expected (and I was vehemently anti-Crucible). And I was playing with randoms. Would people be interested in some more organised Crucible-type activities with people they like and can communicate with? Interest is relatively light, so maybe one a week would be sufficient, but it might be worth throwing out there?

On occasion we've tried to get some crucible action going. Eg: the Salvage trophy. But they either aren't as organised or lack interest. But with The Trials of Osiris coming up, I certainly think it's worth a shout.

Incidentally, did that Salvage trophy thing ever happen? I remember some talk of it somewhere (possibly on the wall), because I remember being interested. But that was the last I remember hearing.