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3/7/2015 10:21:37 PM
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Negative laws of physics are nice because they explain how the universe behaves without calling the need of them existing as some kind of Platonian meta-physical object. And if you deny negative laws of physics at this point, then you're just an idiot. But what we need to figure out is an explanation for the four dimensions, in a simplistic and 'no-assumptions' manner just like negative laws of physics.
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Edited by bungalO SwaG: 3/7/2015 11:48:58 PMDo you think the laws of physics are the same in ever solar system/or galaxy? Couldn't there technically be new laws of physics in other parts of the universe?
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Probably not
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Hmm I've always wondered that. I mean we can speculate. But we won't know until we are actually there. Just something cool to think about. Both you're points were fascinating to read.
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There's no such thing as "negative laws of physics" there's been studies regarding negative mass like the one above. it used to be thought it would require some exotic laws of physics, but that was all hypothetical. So I don't know where you're getting "negative laws of physics" Please link an article about it, because I couldn't find anything.
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Edited by Dustin Hard: 3/7/2015 10:52:35 PMNegative laws of physics (that's just the term I coined for it) is the idea that all laws of physics are fundamentally derived from the unified theory (in which science doesn't yet know). Our best guess of what that might be is something incredibly simple, say 'two objects cannot coexist in the same place at the same time'. Or in other words, contradiction cannot exist. And this single rule can actually explain all the laws of physics. For example, 'an object in motion must stay in motion' relies on the no-contradiction rule because if a moving object were to stop without cause, the object's matter would actually collapse in on itself and combine together, and contradiction would take place. This law does not require a Platonian Heaven (it does not need to exist as a meta-physical object), that is because it governs how matter CANNOT behave rather than how it MUST behave. For most large objects, you don't need to understand negative laws of physics to predict an object's movement because physics dictates that the object cannot move in [u]all possibilities except one[/u]. But there are two places in which negative laws of physics (multiple possible movements) are applicable: quantum physics and the beginning of the universe. Because elementary particles have no mass, they can overlap each other, which is why electrons can pop in and out existence and be everywhere around an atom at once. There is more than one possible movement elementary particles can take. Does this make sense to you or what questions do you have?
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Edited by Britton: 3/7/2015 10:56:18 PMBut quantum mechanics does observe contradictions. They just haven't figured out how the contradictions are possible. And basically in summary your saying science doesn't know yet, which is true. I don't really see the point you're getting at outside of that.
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[quote]And basically in summary your saying science doesn't know yet, which is true.[/quote]No, I'm saying that there's no such thing as meta physical objects (i.e. laws of physics). The universe behaves the way it does one a single principle: that no contradiction can exist. If contradiction could exist, the universe could not.
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Edited by Britton: 3/7/2015 11:27:43 PMBased on what we currently know* The things in quantum physics that seem to deny the laws of physics aren't fully understood so we can't be sure if a contradiction truly exists or not. And what are you calling "meta physical"?
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What is a law to you? How exactly does a law exist in the universe? When I say 'meta-physical' I just mean that the law exists in some form. It doesn't make any sense to me which is why I believe in negative laws of physics.
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Edited by Britton: 3/7/2015 11:48:44 PMA law is something that has withstood the constant trials of time from being disproven. The second its disproven its no longer law. I don't care what you believe, I care about what the results of experiment and observation bring us.
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[quote]A law is something that has withstood the constant trials of time from being disproven.[/quote]I get that you understand laws as a way of predicting HOW something moves, but aren't you curious as to WHY they move? It only makes sense if all laws are derived from a unified theory, and from that unified theory (whatever it may be) we can best assume that this singular law is that of no contradiction. And if it is no contradiction, then that means that no object is forced to behave the way it does (as the laws of physics are normally assumed to work), but rather every object can behave in whatever way isn't a contradiction. [quote]I don't care what you believe, I care about what the results of experiment and observation bring us.[/quote]Negative laws of physics actually bear a smaller assumption. Positive laws of physics bear the assumption that the laws exist as a god-like power forcing everything to behave the way it does.
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The second you say "we can assume" without any equations, or experiments to support your assumption you're wrong. I am very interested in the why. But I'm not interested if you haven't done the appropriate work.
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Okay clearly you're not understanding. Negative laws of physics are an interpretation of behavior, just as positive laws of physics are. They are both clauses, but negative laws of physics assume far less than positive laws of physics. In fact, negative laws of physics assume nothing, except that all laws of physics are derivable from the unified theory.
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But no one has been able to establish the unified field theory successfully, theres always something that doesn't fit. If you claim to have figured it out then publish a paper and go collect your Nobel prize.
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[quote] I don't care what you believe, I care about what the results of experiment and observation bring us.[/quote] Give this man a cookie!
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They're only contradictions if you assume the universe is deterministic. Negative laws of physics allow there to be multiple possibilities as opposed to just one.
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Negative laws of physics is something you made up. I need better terminology please.
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There is no other terminology; I came up with the idea. There's nothing to Google.
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Well then write a paper and publish it.
