Clearly, the first is more illogical. If some dude starts trying to batter a crowd,that I'm standing in, with a knife or bat.... I'm taking his ass down. In the second situation, to my mind the way it should be, said perpetrator won't even bother knowing that everyone else is packing and he won't stand a chance. Barring the suicidal types, obviously. In those cases he wants to die anyway so.... You know...