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Edited by Panda:
10/29/2014 2:16:22 AM
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Should randomization have been added to the Atheon fight?
Seriously though.
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Edited by Ewoktapus: 10/29/2014 8:55:09 PMIt's pathetic how many people are against it now because it's too hard for them. This is what happens when you allow people to exploit the "hardest" thing in the game for too damn long. It isn't difficult at all to learn how to beat Atheon properly.
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2 RepliesI put yes..but i'm so torn. I think it's good that everyone understands all aspects of the fight but at the same time..we wiped 5 or 6 times because of the random teleport last night. It wasn't until I got teleported 3 times (beat him on 3rd dps phase) that we downed him. Prior to patch I always ran the relic. So it was frustrating because it's not THAT hard ( on normal - hard mode is different those adds are DANGEROUS!!!) So it was frustrating that we kept wiping over it but whatever - Everyone needs to understand the mechanics.
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Most of the problem is not that people aren't taught or can't do it. Some people just aren't good at surviving with the relic.
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2 RepliesSome mother -blam!-er never knows what he's doing and the whole team gets wiped
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Edited by Birdy: 10/30/2014 11:38:16 PMIf the elitist asshats are so upset that some noob dies with the relic because they find it beneath themselves to give them a one minute run down of the relic they don't even deserve to even start the raid up.
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Would have preferred they fix the bugs before inputting the random teleportation.
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I don't care for it but I think they had more important bugs to fix before doing this
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19 RepliesQuit crying bitches and learn how to use a relic
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Yes, it isn't supposed to be easy.
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3 RepliesI voted yes Simple reason: it gives everyone the chance to fully experience the raid properly and also encourages a greater level of communication (swearing)
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1 ReplyEdited by WolfHawk16: 10/30/2014 2:59:46 AMArtficial difficulty at its finest. I'm relic guy. I'm good with it and I enjoy using it. However not everyone is. A successful run can be brought to a standstill because you're showing noobs the ropes when suddenly they all get teleported and wipe. No idea what Bungie was thinking.
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Still so easy... More fun now not knowing if I'm going to be teleporting or not.
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3 RepliesTotal cluster-blam!- now. Never playing without my team again that's for sure. Half these ppl don't know what to do and seem to take hours to learn.
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3 RepliesBungie should add more RNG events to the raid. 5% chance of teleporting the Templar into aetheon battle instead of supplicant, 25% chance to randomly kill a random person when some one uses a heavy weapon, 50% chance to mark players on the OUTSIDE with Mark of the void. I DEMAND MORE RNG BUNGIE!!!!
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i disagree with this change because enow people are expendable, having a good relic user is much less important now, and ironically this fix makes the raid less teamwork orientated.
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The fight isn't even hard, and the RNG teleports will only be a mild nuisance. That being said, RNG IS THE LAZIEST AND WORSE WAY TO ADD DIFFICULTY TO A RAID. Throughout the entire raid, you have set tactics and teams (opening the gate splitting off in 2s, assigning sides to confluxes, who goes where) then all of a sudden they decide, LETS MAKE IT RANDOM!! If they wanted everyone to experience the inside, then make players receive a debuff that makes it impossible for them to enter the next portal. OH LOOK YOU SOLVED THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE NOT GOING IN THE PORTAL, AND ALSO ALLOWED RAIDS TO HAVE PRESET TACTICS!!
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1 ReplyEdited by stok54: 10/29/2014 5:40:41 PMI'm going to go ahead and say no, but not for difficulty reasons. I'm saying no because of the poor game design decision. Random teleports are very lazy in terms of execution and they have caused a lot of unintended(?) issues. I kept count last night and during the Atheon fight, he teleported two or less people into the past or future six times. That's six failures because three people didn't go through. This happened about two times at the most before the patch.
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The whole game is random. There's no player control anymore. I was upset enough that all three classes are practically the same. Theres no roll, no jobs. And when we finally had a chance to do so, to be tactical and co-operate... Right out the window.
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It actually makes it easier lmao
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It honestly makes it worth more to see someone that has beat the vog. Sadly people who never gone through it are now screwed.
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It throws strategy to the four winds! I mean it's cool Bungie wants to add a flair of surprise, but my god my friends and I were so BLAMED confused after we got the first relic! -_- And please no "Git Gud," comments, we were all prepared to fight Atheon.
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3 RepliesEdited by Mute Spittah: 10/29/2014 3:35:07 AMTo anyone who is saying this- "It's harder now, and that's what bungie intended it to be!" Listen- The most difficult content in the game should be the nightfall. It's can be put into, has lots of enemies with lots of health and armor, and increases the damage enemies deal. If you are looking to test your skill as an individual, skilled player, try this. The raid only requires the most amount of strategy. You have to coordinate the actions of six players. If you have a good leader and strong players, then it should be relatively easy. However, this is not the case for most people l, so the raid becomes difficult. The change to atheon does not promote the use of strategy. It adds artificial difficulty to the battle, and is not a positive change.
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Edited by Rao: 10/29/2014 6:31:19 PMIt should not have. They could have come up with better and more creative ways to add difficulty to the fight. Instead the development team fell back to their lazy roots and went with a RNG selection mechanism (which probably broke teleporting worse than it was before). However, the main problem is the fact that they ignored legitimate errors in order to push this "patch" through for Aetheon.
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2 RepliesThey should let teams choose at least one person to get sucked in so someone who knows what to do with the relic could teach others. Its very hard trying to explain what to do when you're handling your side and guessing at what the people inside are doing.
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HA HA HA all the scrubs hate this patch! HA HA HA
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I think this should've been something for the Hard Raid only, there are people who play the Raid with designated roles pre boss fight and Raids are all about strategy. There is no strategy in random teleporting, only hoping you get lucky and have people who know what they're doing inside the teleporter get teleporter. Too hard for the normal Raid, it's still doable, just tedious and annoying like the rest of this game.
