[quote]If you want to compare stats, two things. There is some similarity in our aggregate stats but if you look at my KDRs in recent matches I'm obviously far outperforming you. You also seem to have hidden your stats from Destinytracker so I can only assume you're hiding low Elo/bad stats. You keep implying there's little to no skill or strategy in crucible. I don't care if you want to backpedal and say "Oh I was just being hyperbolic, that's on you for thinking my words mean anything," either way you are just wrong.[/quote] The reason why you're outperforming me in recent stats is because I haven't touched the Crucible in weeks, that much is clear. Moreover, I don't hide my stats. I don't know how to nor do I care to, because I don't base my argument on the skillset of the person whom I'm arguing with which is what you seem to be doing. You know what they say about people who assume, though. [quote]You keep implying there's little to no skill or strategy in crucible. I don't care if you want to backpedal and say "Oh I was just being hyperbolic, that's on you for thinking my words mean anything," either way you are just wrong. It's obvious your opinion is that crucible sucks, and that's fine. On some level I would agree. The matchmaking is inconsistent, the networking is bad at times, the tick rate should be upped, and pinnacle weapons are arguably too strong and only serve to drive more casual players away and keep the overall numbers down. But for you to pretend the reason crucible sucks is because it takes little/no skill, has no strategy involved and that weapons and the netcode are the major determinant in who wins or loses is bogus. There're a lot of mind games, tactics, strategy and skill beyond aim and reaction time that goes into doing well in pvp and you are ignoring that or simply can't comprehend that. That's why your thinking/perception is just shallow.[/quote] I'm not wrong though, it's a demonstrable fact that the Crucible requires little to no skill, both mechanically or strategically in order to achieve any sort of win, and to continue to defend its glaring flaws which are prevalent down to the fundamental level of the game shows your ignorance. Oversized hitboxes, aim assist and bullet magnetism that's directly tied to the Range stat of your gun, effectively making the requirement of actually aiming your weapon less and less of a priority the more Range you have on your weapon - My Blast Furance has maxed out range, and it is at this point that I don't even have to try to aim to get precision damage; on top of what you've already mentioned with awful matchmaking, the laughably inexcusable networking, the fact that Bungie has a boner for taking heavy weapons and slotting them to secondary and primary weapons for no other reason than to make people happy, even if at the cost of gameplay balance. Pinnacle weapons sound interesting on paper but in practice it only serves to dominate the Crucible, and unless you already own one, you're going to have a severe disadvantage over someone who does because if they have it, chances are that they're pretty damn good in using it either. Something something gun doesn't equate to skill something something, good guns make bad players good but makes good players great. Player influence may play a part in victories, but it is secondary to the equipment and abilities you are given as a player, and I defy you to prove to me otherwise. The prospect of having a game mode where you have no light to use would have been an amazing concept but instead we're rotating 2-3 game modes once in a blue moon with a monthly Iron Banner that hasn't changed up their equpiment in a long time, and only recently did we see anything we haven't already seen since Forsaken launched back in September. [quote]As for the whole "power fantasy" argument I keep hearing, it's not really supported by reality. For quite a while now, nerfs to guns or subclasses (with the notable exception of Nova Warp, which is getting buffed soon), have been done in ways that explicitly only affect crucible or pve (e.g. shotgun range nerf only active in pvp, MG reserves and boss damage nerf only affect pve). I think the pve is quite easy. With a coordinated team, almost every boss in the game, even in raids, can be taken out in one phase, or mere seconds in some cases. Lower difficulty pve like strikes or adventures are easy to the point where you can use any subclass and weapons and still breeze through the content. Bungie nerfing cluster bombs or machine guns, or the shotgun rework at the start of the season didn't change pve being easy. The reason they did those nerfs was not for pvp, it was clearly, and they even stated this, to bring more weapon balance to pve. The content is too easy and using certain gear made everything trivial. The whole "pvp ruins power fantasy" argument just does not hold water. The only credible evidence in favor of that argument is Nova Warp. Outside of that, Bungie has largely kept the pve and pvp sandbox adjustments separate for months now.[/quote] And that's great, except it only took them literally 5 years to do what they should have done now. If it takes them this long to realize that maybe PVP and PVE are completely separate entities, then I shudder at the thought of what Destiny 3 might actually look like. For the longest time however, PVP was the main culprit to why that power fantasy never felt good. Everything is easy to do now because we're at a light level that meets or exceeds the content that requires it, and those activies are so outdated that the newest weapons will obviously excel at what they do. It's the same reason why I can Vault of Glass on Hard now and still dominate with my equipment because it's improved. The mechanics of the raid are no different than what they were back then, give or take a change or two. Lastly, I'm not going to ever keep Bungie on their word because they've lied time and time again and they have no one to blame but themselves for making the community as skeptical towards them as they are now. I don't give a shit what they claim to say in any of their TWAB because they've given me no reason to believe them, but they've given me plenty to be skeptical.

[i]I have complete control of what my team does in a game where you're placed in a team with people you've never met.[/i] Practice what you preach.