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Edited by Klickshot:
10/6/2018 3:11:43 PM
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Sleeper in Gambit - a change needs to happen
Dear Bungie,
Sometimes it really feels like you don't play your own game. Do you really, wholeheartedly feel the way Sleeper works right now (in Gambit) is fun and balanced for everyone involved? It's the same situation as it was with MIDA in the first trials - its either pick or put yourself at a disadvantage.
Wallhacks paired with a point-and-click instakill even through supers / overshields and at any range should not be in this gamemode. And your balancing attempt is about as effective as trying to blow-dry a fish thats still in the water.
I want to play Gambit. I want to enjoy your game, I really do, but you make it so damn hard sometimes. Constantly going against 4-stacks abusing Sleeper as a soloplayer is just not a good experience.
I hope you understand my point. I'm not a big fan of nerfing stuff either, but if it's borderline broken, maybe it just has to be done. Even if its only until you find a better fix. Maybe change the ammo economy of the weapon. Maybe improve the hit detection so I don't get killed around corners and through walls. Maybe just make it a headshot one-shot so you at least have to aim.
Thank you and with best regards,
Klickshot
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Sleeper isn't a god beam, it can be stopped, it's not overpowered,it's just overused, just like mida in year one, numerous scouts could counter it, but most people were just fixated on the fact that everyone liked to use it. Quit fixating on the sleeper.
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1 ReplyI think people kinda ignore Invaders unfortunately, I never use Sleeper, I jump in with my Sniper or Bad Omens and all 4 enemy guardians are just focused on the PrimeEvil or mote collecting..... When I hear the Invader has come, I stop, and actively look for them. Come at me with your Sleeper, I have my own one hit answer to drop you with buddy 😉
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I think if they nerfed it .04% it would be fine.
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1 Replyhere we go again nerf nerf nerf find a weapon your comfortable with and figure out how to use it win some lose some im utter shit at pvp but i got the malfeasance , ran totaly solo player with random guys an gals i got matched up with thats the name a the game if you wanna win try harder.
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4 RepliesThe only change that needs to happen is the fact people need to adapt. Power weapon nerfs in PvP situations is stupid. Its a power weapon. It should be easy to get a kill with that weapon because its supposed to be strong. The fact that people are complaining this much about Sleeper makes me worried that machine guns are going to get nerfed into the ground only after a few weeks of being in the game. Yes they're strong, but they're meant to be strong. Can't handle a power weapon then oh well, try again.
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2 RepliesAt first I didn't see the problem. After being killed a bunch of times by sleeper Invaders I decided it was BS just like everyone else and needs to be changed. But in the meantime I was gonna get my hands on one so I could be a sleeper spammer too. It was a lot of work. Quite a pain in the a$$. Farming all those stupid resonance stems. I did every adventure on Mars 3 times. I finally got my sleeper last night. It was glorious. What do I think now? Two things. One it's not as good as everyone says it is. Two it should be as good as everyone thinks it is because it was a huge pain in the a$$ to acquire and it should not be nerfed or changed at all. Seriously. I grinded for hours to finish that quest. The reward was worth it and it should stay that way. Nerfing a gun that requires that much of an investment of a players time is a disservice to everyone that took the time to get it.
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I just started using it. Can’t beat them, join them. The ammo change won’t fix anything as one person could just camp the box.
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The horse has been dead for awhile, no need to keep beating it.
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Have you not been in destiny forums at all in the past 3 weeks? You are the 20,000th person to post wanting the sleeper nerfed They are aware
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A change is in the works for October 30th. They are going to reduce the amount of ammo you can pick up with sleeper from 4->2. This will put it in line with other heavies.
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You make a valid argument that shouldn't be overlooked. Sadly most people forget that other than the PvP advantages that sleeper gives, it also melts the boss even without the primeval damage buff. I think a damage change needs to happen or make it like you said, a headshot to do the full damage, while body shots take two hits on guardians and just do significantly less damage or just half damage against the pve enemies in gambit.
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I'm only asking this because I need clarification. Are you getting killed by sleeper when invading? Are you not taking cover when an invader comes through the portal? A 4 stack would not be a problem, since only one can come through the portal at a time, so it has to be while you are invading.
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The simple minded idiot that wants its crutch to stay would say you're a crybaby calling for a nerf.
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1 ReplyNo for Gambit just black box it , and make people use a different type of weapon weve become to used to the sleeper , it shouldnt be that easy to portal jump and wipe people or bosses a Huge change is needed either hard Nerf, or black box it outta gambit totally. either way i dont care nerf it in to the ground in gambit but leave it alone in pve.
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1 ReplyStop your whining and get good. U can out play it easily with snipers and/or queensbreaker. Or Just get up in his face with a shotgun
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Yes a change does need to happen. Dual wielding Sleepers. I can blast 2 of you little babies at once.
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3 RepliesI absolutely agreed to nerf sleeper even harder. Almost 99% of invading kills are from a single weapon, a hotfix is much needed to it, either ban the weapon from gambit or nerf it to dust.
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It’s not the weapon, it’s players. Pretty soon the raid fusion will meet its fate as well because it’s a stronger version of sleeper. Great weapons get nerfed cause players don’t have the orbs of light to use anything but the most OP thing in the game. Thank you Gambit scrubs who ruined the sleeper.
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The op makes some valid points and i agree that eververse needs to be removed from this game.
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after 3 resets ive stop caring about sleeper. But thats just because i snipe them before the charge up. All you have to do to counter a sleeper is: Flinch them, Hide, Snipe them, Shotgun them, super them. Its not as much of a problem as i first thought it was.
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It's about to get worse thanks to DPJ
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Personally I disagree! Sleeper it’s find no different than the whisper. I just rocket launch them with tracking from far away.... it’s what makes the game fun. Kill or be kill.
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[quote]Dear Bungie, Sometimes it really feels like you don't play your own game. Do you really, wholeheartedly feel the way Sleeper works right now (in Gambit) is fun and balanced for everyone involved? It's the same situation as it was with MIDA in the first trials - its either pick or put yourself at a disadvantage. Wallhacks paired with a point-and-click instakill even through supers / overshields and at any range should not be in this gamemode. And your balancing attempt is about as effective as trying to blow-dry a fish thats still in the water. I want to play Gambit. I want to enjoy your game, I really do, but you make it so damn hard sometimes. Constantly going against 4-stacks abusing Sleeper as a soloplayer is just not a good experience. I hope you understand my point. I'm not a big fan of nerfing stuff either, but if it's borderline broken, maybe it just has to be done. Even if its only until you find a better fix. Maybe change the ammo economy of the weapon. Maybe improve the hit detection so I don't get killed around corners and through walls. Maybe just make it a headshot one-shot so you at least have to aim. Thank you and with best regards, Klickshot[/quote] 3 weeks in...and you want them to make the same mistake they made with Suros Regime when D1 came out the 1st month...too many noobs and people in Gambit in for milestones only...veterans counter SS...give the game time before premature nerds like Suros
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The sleeper should stay as is. Awfully funny that there were no nerf calls prior to gambit. Now we want to nerf it. Just because somethig shines in a playlist doesn’t mean it needs a nerf. It’s simply good just like literally any -blam!-ing linear fusion rifle. -
Gambit in a nutshell. https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/g0lden-hunt3r/video/61589546 INVADER INCOMM (hold X to respawn) ING Spawn invaders behind walls FFS ...not with their crosshairs on a player. And make sleeper not bodyshot kill in crucible.....no need to nerf it in PvE...just adjust its pvp damage on players.
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You make some real valid points and i agree bro eververse must be removed from this game. Did you hear him bungie. Get rid of eververse now 👌
