[b]That is because the vast majority of pvp players are immature children looking for handouts to win their crucible matches - not realizing (or choosing to ignore) that it's their lack of skill that's the issue[/b]. Let's take the infamous Thorn for example: Thorn, when it was first buffed, was starting to actually be useable in PvE - which was amazing for folks like me who love the gun's design and playstyle. [b]Thorn punished aggressive over-extension and since new players tend to do that frequently, Thorn capitalized on it[/b]. Thorn wasn't OP - the stupidity among players not learning from their mistakes was. Flanking and effective use of cover and health-regen perks made Thorn a non-issue for a skilled player. [b]Their skill is the issue and rather than admit that they should better themselves, they would rather whine for nerfs to what's killing them, completely ignorant to the fact that they will simply lose to something else[/b]. These changes harm PvE greatly and do nothing for the children the nerfs are supposed to be catering to.