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Edited by Soupreem: 2/19/2017 5:01:27 AM
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My Honest thoughts on this weapon patch so far

[b][i][u]WARNING: HEAVY RANT INBOUND![/u][/i][/b] Is this patch real? Seriously, it has to be a joke, right? No joke, this is honestly the worst balance patch that I have ever had the misfortune of playing. First things first, the primary balance is actually pretty good, my only massive problem so far is that focused fire is still godawful. For what's going to dominate, I'm saying pulses for a year and a quarter now are still reigning supreme, not saying nerf them (albeit the high impacts didn't need to shoot faster, they just needed a little less recoil and maybe a point or two of extra damage). For specials, you might as well have removed shotguns, snipers that aren't Ice Breaker or NLB, and fusions, removing almost any aggressive play style at all. No shit, I can probably count on one hand how many people I saw who weren't using something you lose ammo for on Death. Sidearms dominate sixes, basically replacing a now pretty bad Last Word and it just isn't fun because I'm not playing a variety of special weapons. I think more than half of sixes players are using sidearms, no exaggeration. [b]Solution:[/b] Reverse the special change. The subclass changes are awful. Warlock now doesn't have a subclass that's competitive in my opinion because of how they've been butchered. Voidwalker has had Life Steal and Embrace the Void effectively removed (more on that later), Sunsinger is only good for spamming stickies, and Stormcaller has had its only truly powerful thing gimped (I don't think Stormtrance is very good). Blink might as well not be in the game anymore. [b]Solution:[/b] Buff Sunsinger, reverse the bullshit health regeneration nerf The regen perk nerf is complete bullshit, either reverse the nerf or replace the regen perks with something useful. I'm going to end this with a quote from me replying to Orpheus' post: [quote]For reference, I got this game week 1 or 2, before the first balance patch essentially. This game has gone nowhere but downhill since House of Wolves. Let me go down the list; -Class items and Ghosts are no longer cosmetic -The sandbox team is trying rotating metas without standardized loadouts and/or monthly balance patches -Having to endure 3+ layers of RNG for almost every piece of loot without the option for retolling -Many gamemodes flat out don't work on these PvP maps, there hasn't been an effort to make better maps or take the bad ones out of the rotation. -The game still runs at 30 FPS on current gen, with no shown effort of upgrading it to 60 (granted I don't know how easy that would be) -No dedicated servers, which is a fail even in 2014-2015 -No punishment for laggers, invincible people and people who are skipping like Qbert shouldn't be allowed in PvP. -Most PvP nerfs have negatively affected PvE -Sandbox team is incompitent, often nerfing things which are either fine as-is or needed buffing (Bladedancer and Blink) -The dev team only listens to streamers -The PvE is just watered down Borderlands -Extreme lack of transparency when a situation calls for it -Cocky and condescending PR people (Luke Smith and Deej) -Catering to the lowest common denominator for most design choices (removal of elemental primaries as a prime example) -Blatant ignorance of mass cries for change (remember the remove SBMM post spam a while back?) -Making other game developers afraid of putting powerful shotguns and snipers in their games (see CoD and Battlefield) -Bungie ditching Microsoft for Activi$ion, with Activi$ion forcing Bungie to milk microtransactions. I can go on and on but this list is just what's pushing me away from this game[/quote] Edit: I -blam!-ing called it https://opponents.destinytrialsreport.com/
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  • My favorite time for pvp was during HoW. Now I just go to Overwatch if I want to play pvp T^T

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  • I'm only responding to this part because you said the game has gone way downhill and I couldn't disagree more. [quote]-Class items and Ghosts are no longer cosmetic[/quote] This is a fair enough point. I can see why you would want them purely cosmetic. [quote]-The sandbox team is trying rotating metas without standardized loadouts and/or monthly balance patches[/quote] They are trying to reach balance, but doing it in the wrong way. Bungie listen to the community too much instead of doing the right thing. [quote]-Having to endure 3+ layers of RNG for almost every piece of loot without the option for retolling[/quote] This is a loot based game. The recurring argument of 'too much RNG' is a result of people playing a game of the genre they dislike. Besides, we can reroll exotics [b]and[/b] raid armour. To me, that's good enough. [quote]-Many gamemodes flat out don't work on these PvP maps, there hasn't been an effort to make better maps or take the bad ones out of the rotation.[/quote] Can you explain this point please, I'm not sure I understand. [quote]-The game still runs at 30 FPS on current gen, with no shown effort of upgrading it to 60 (granted I don't know how easy that would be)[/quote] Difficult. This will be a Destiny 2 change. [quote]-No dedicated servers, which is a fail even in 2014-2015[/quote] Again, this would have to be a Destiny 2 change. [quote]-No punishment for laggers, invincible people and people who are skipping like Qbert shouldn't be allowed in PvP.[/quote] I can 100% guarantee you have lagged in at least one game. You can't just punish every lagging player. [quote]-Most PvP nerfs have negatively affected PvE[/quote] Have they though? [quote]-Sandbox team is incompitent, often nerfing things which are either fine as-is or needed buffing (Bladedancer and Blink)[/quote] Again, it's because they listen to the community too much. [quote]-The dev team only listens to streamers[/quote] And youtubers. Admittedly this is an issue. [quote]-The PvE is just watered down Borderlands[/quote] Again, I need an explanation. I love Destiny's pve. [quote]-Extreme lack of transparency when a situation calls for it[/quote] Explanation please. [quote]-Cocky and condescending PR people (Luke Smith and Deej)[/quote] Now you're just being overly sensitive. [quote]-Catering to the lowest common denominator for most design choices (removal of elemental primaries as a prime example)[/quote] I'm not sure I understand this. Elemental primaries were all that we used in pve, of course they'd be removed. [quote]-Blatant ignorance of mass cries for change (remember the remove SBMM post spam a while back?)[/quote] You mean the cry that got a reduction to SBMM? [quote]-Making other game developers afraid of putting powerful shotguns and snipers in their games (see CoD and Battlefield)[/quote] Now you're just being ridiculous. You have such an extreme dislike of Bungie that you blame them for disliked design choices in [i]other games[/i]? [quote]-Bungie ditching Microsoft for Activi$ion, with Activi$ion forcing Bungie to milk microtransactions.[/quote] Again, I'll admit Activision is a bad company. But again, is it really Bungie's fault for doing as they are told?

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    • Edited by SpakulatorX: 2/15/2017 2:31:28 PM
      You should change your tag to 'I'm butthurt'

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    • Looks like you summoned yourself.

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    • People just don't realize that trials, 6v6 and pve all need seperate balances to remain fair. What people really don't realize, that outside of pve, pvps biggest issue is lag and latency. They can do whatever they want to balance shit. If my guns work inconsistantly it'll never be balanced in my eyes. One game my shotgun works, the next it doesn't. So in some games I see it needing a nerf and others a buff. Same with every gun really. Sometimes my clever dragon took 8 shots to kill, others 4. Some games I wouldn't even try to use a primary because no matter how mucb I shot them, they could escape, turn around and 2 shot me back. Leaving me no chance except to use special and hope to get lucky with my service. I'll play one game and easily 3v1 a team of 1.5s, the next game my team gets 3v1 by a .6. We all teamshoot and he still survives and takes us out. But yes, keep fighting bungie about balancing the inconsistant weapons.

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    • Vote... https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/222356231/0/0

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    • I feel the Special Meta still needs to settle. Sidearm Samurais are possibly either testing out the ammo limitations and how to subvert it or finding Sidearms comfortable now. I like the Special economy change. I'm rocking my Fusion with Red Spectre fairly well so no complaints there. We might see a Side Arm nerf or buff to other Specials. Unfortunately Bungie will need to see how this settles before adjusting. Secondly Sunsingers are fine. They can be competetitive and strong in PvE

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    • I completely agree!!! Very few things that have been apparently fixed in previous patches have made it worse. I'm assuming they do these patches because all the crappy players who cry every time they get killed in PvP. Yeah, shotguns "were" powerful but they didn't need to be basically destroyed just so the really crappy players are happy. I think shotguns were at a pretty decent level an or par with other specials before they brought that dreaded "Matador" back. As soon as "Matador" showed its horns again the complaints started. I don't like the fact that it seems like Bungie decide what the meta is in PvP (They do because take this patch for example, it doesn't leave much room for choice and variety) Everyone's going to be using a side arm, ice breaker, No Land Beyond or Invective now. They tried this no ammo upon death once before quite a while back in a patch. It did NOT work! They reversed it because too many people disagreed with it I presume. I just wonder why they're trying it again? All this being said, I do love destiny. The story is fantastic (House of Wolves and The Dark Below were my favourite) The weapons, a lot of the older ones are really aesthetically pleasing. I just wish they would do things like this that force people to play a particular way just to keep the people who aren't that good happy.

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    • Edited by Èclipsè: 2/15/2017 2:50:58 PM
      I like the patch, but what i dont understand is that they nerfed Hungring Blade. Ok in my eyes its ok then im going over to warlock......ohhhhhh hey they made a mistake and nerfed "ALL" Health regen perks but they wont fix it noooooooo......They want to wait and watch for a couple of weeks and what i also dont understand is that the "TEAM" that works on the patch doesnt even now what they are doing. #MakeDestinyGreatAgain

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      • Bungie turned what was a fun and exciting game into a bland Vanilla shooter. Destiny was different now its just Call of Duty in space. With every half assed nerf the game loses more and more of what set it apart. This joke of a patch goes to show how little they think of us as customers. Which ultimately we are. Bait and switch is a shit tactic. Destiny 2 is now off my list of games to watch for unless Bungie actually steps up here and fixes this shit show.

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        • You had summoned yourself :)

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        • I like the patch

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        • you summoned yourself

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        • Can you be summoned to your own post?

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        • Your name seems appropriate.

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        • You went from being funny to being the one who is butthurt... i find that ironic

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        • You summoned yourself...that's funny

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          • Bump. Worst patch ever. Once again nerfing a weapon(truth) that is now unusable in PVE. 1 round? They are clearly clueless and don't play the game judging by the live stream.

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            • Everyone ready for the insurgence of the most boring montages ever made...? [i]Primary Montages[/i]. Lmao!

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            • You guys are just pissed that the easy, OP weapons got nerfed. All the weapons left to use are skilled based for players like me.

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              • Bump

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              • Edited by TheShadow: 2/17/2017 12:53:23 AM
                You know what's funny about the gamers that say this patch is fine. When Bungie screws up again and everything they enjoy now gets screwed up. They will be the ones complaning. Funny how that seems to work on this forum.

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              • The matches I've played so far have actually been enjoyable for once in almost two years. You can actually engage your opponents with a primary and have a nice gunfight without some shotgun warrior coming at you from nowhere, or turn a corner and get sniped by three people at the same time. People have gotten too comfortable with using their special weapon as a primary, and I for one think a patch like this should've been implemented sooner. Now, obviously the health regen nerf, blink nerf and truth nerf were completely uncalled for and need to be fixed right away, but as for the weapon/special economy changes, they're great. Everyone just has to get back into actually firing their primary weapons, instead of relying on a weapon designed for [i]special circumstances[/i] the entire match.

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                • [b][i][u]bump[/u][/i][/b] [spoiler][b][i][u]BUUUUUUMP [/u][/i][/b][/spoiler]

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                • Bump

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                • This better trend for a week, Supreme it looks like they're already trying to burry this one

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