Yes it's a real problem. I'm left hailing insults towards the tv daily

Yes, it needs fixed. HOWEVER, my Finnalas Peril Doesn't suffer from Phantom bullets. Check my titan

Either scouts and pulse need phantom bullets or hand cannons need them removed, I personally greatly prefer the second option

Yea, i get that occasionally with the Ace of Spades.

maybe were just too spoiled from how they used to perform in HoW and stuff. because ive noticed myself just expecting too much out of them. by this i mean that i play as if my last word is gonna perform how it did in year 1 when it isnt near what it used to be. and ya i know this is my own dumb fault but i wanna know if this happens with anyone else

If for some reason u still hip fire TLW its even worse

As an avid hand cannon user myself, I find this whole "phantom bullet" craze a bit interesting. I've used every hand cannon available accept for The Devil You Know, so I feel like my experience is up to par enough to have some valid input. The main tidbit I want to throw in is about how range affects these phantom bullets. Range is your single most important stat on a hand cannon. (Reload perks are nice, but require you to get a kill first. Sometimes that's easier said than done.) The lower your range, the smaller the distance for damage drop off . This we already know. But one thing a lot of people leave out is range also impacts your aim assist. With this info out of the way, we can look at hand cannons a bit differently than any other weapon archetype. HCs are meant for mid-close to close range encounters. Without the proper range setup, you pretty much forcing yourself into painful closer range engagements. Take my Lord High Fixer (with hot swap, rifled barrel, and life army of one FYI). I'm not the best with numbers but this build has more range than The First Curse before activating it's namesake perk. So it's pretty decent! I have 0 trouble landing shots from just outside mid range encounters thanks to the added range. The stability isn't great, but that's where you spend time with a weapon to really get to know it. Now take my vendor rolled The Vanity, the FWC hand cannon. With 3rd eye (meh, that's better for scout rifles), rifled barrel, and life support. Also, the stability for this weapon is the highest base stability of all available hand cannons. With The Vanity, my range is about 5% less than my Lord High Fixer. But my stability is massive, so landing shots should be fairly easy right? Nope! I have to actually take my time at anything outside mid-close range despite being really stable and having decent range. Lord High Fixer lands shots more consistently due to its increased range, despite its stability being a little unruly. My argument against phantom bullets is to have a range build hand cannon. This doesn't make a HC godly, it just makes it more viable. Personally, I don't think using a hand cannon as a primary is a great idea. I've been pairing my Vanity with Plan C and Zen Meteor lately and I find myself enjoying it as more of a back up in case I don't secure the immediate kill with a special weapon. This prevents me from encountering phantom bullets a bit more by allowing me to have a very versatile play style. Hand Cannons are in a great spot. It just takes a bit of skill and understanding to be a true Space Cowboy.

In the last "sweaty" tournament, the only weapons being used were legendary HCs. Understand that if HCs were 100% consistent, a good shooter will with 99% of close and mid range engagements against any other weapon type. Which is slightly unbalanced. The phantom bullets reward patience and good aim, not spamming the trigger.

I agree. Yet I can aim at the sky and get mida crits.

Use hawkmoon like me. The extra damage make up for missed shot. For non competitive use whatever you want I like my lord high fixer

Since we are on hand cannons...I just thought I'd throw in here that the imprecation is a shitty gun. Js...

Bungies answer to people using hand cannons was to add dispersion, while at the same time, shrinking hitboxes, and adding damage falloff. All that was needed was an increase to damage falloff at range. Now, we basically can call "luck in the chamber": One random bullet in the magazine has a chance to hit where you are aiming, and all handcannons now have this perk.

And that's why this game is dumb. Range determines if you hit someone as well as how much damage it does when really it should only determine how much damage it does because if you are accurate you should hit the target, but that's not how it works in this game

So I done a little testing and I know there are a lot of factors that can be added. Basically though if you adjust your thumb pressure for the recoil all your shots are in a small hit box. Body shots anyway. Precision shots need to be a little slower, but that's where aim assist should help. Maybe. Also I realized I was aiming low but I didn't feel like doing it again. Also I'm not as good with these HC as I would like to be. The Last Word: https://youtu.be/JrSrtxFRa98 I thought with bloom I would see one or two bullets way left, right or over their head. They stayed in a tight group. So where are these bullets going? The First Curse: https://youtu.be/f-smuT94o_Q A little better the second time. In Game: https://youtu.be/nvxj5erv5GM [spoiler] I do realize I probably missed those shots, but a melee and team mates grenade= no damage. 😓 LOL [spoiler] Improve hit detection all around. Guns, melee, grenades, etc.

If you're using Hawkmoon, I'd recommend just firing it slower. I take it slow and steady with Hawkmoon and rarely do I get any phantom bullets.