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Edited by Big Black Bear: 2/9/2013 12:02:18 AM
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This is why the current structure for replies doesn't work...

In the thread I've branched from to create this topic, the following situation occured: 1. OP asks a question. 2. I "Comment" and provide an answer to the OP's question. 3. Bungie employee "Replies" to my post and confirms that my answer is correct. The big problem here is that the OP (and anyone else who might benefit from seeing an official Bungie response) is not notified of the reply to my comment... Only I am. Furthermore, unless he chooses to expand the list of replies to my comment, he will never see it. I know this point has been beaten to death, but I wanted to include a real example to illustrate the point.

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  • I miss the simple standard linear view used before and on pretty much all message boards. Would that have been so hard??

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  • I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.

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    • Edited by Duardo: 2/9/2013 6:27:39 AM
      [url=http://www.bungie.net/en-US/View/community/Forum/Post?id=59775408&path=1]Feast your eyes on this baby.[/url] Check out my replies. While some are in order, someone are out. The arrows pointing to replies helps, as does quoting, but it's still difficult to figure out.

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      • Yes, I think most of us agree that the old style was much better. I somehow doubt anything will be done to change it back, however.

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      • Edited by GHOST270: 2/10/2013 2:24:19 AM
        For some reason I read the title As " [b] This is why the current structure for [i]reptiles[/i] doesn't work[/b]... I'm disappointed at the lack of botany and reptilian taxonomy in this thread.

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        • The whole nesting thing is annoying to begin with. Pre-BETA it's easy to tell if someone has a lot of replies because there's a lot of posts in the thread with their name in it. And if someone replies to someone who replies to that "comment", and the discussion is not separate from that comment, they shouldn't be under that comment. Nesting is annoying, counter-intuitive, and tiresome.

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        • [quote]In the thread I've branched from to create this topic, the following situation occured: 1. OP asks a question. 2. I "Comment" and provide an answer to the OP's question. 3. Bungie employee "Replies" to my post and confirms that my answer is correct.[/quote]You should never say never.......but that has never happened.

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        • Big Black Bear is complaining/giving feedback!!!! What?!! Is there something wrong with you?!!! Are you High on Crack or something?!!!!!!

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          • I'll give you a real world example of this, [url=http://www.bungie.net/en-US/View/community/Forum/Post?id=59777625]check out this thread.[/url] Someone was all on about a new ARG that was with Bungie's next project, trying to develop an idea off of someone's tweets. However, Urk stepped in to confirm that it was false. Urk's reply was in a nested conversation and now it's buried somewhere. I just checked on it and DeeJ had to step in and re-quote Urk out loud to make sure that it was clear that thread is false, for those that didn't care to open each nested reply. Now, the question is,[i] if DeeJ hadn't done this[/i], would the thread still develop as normal without finding Urk's buried post? We'll never know. I like the conversation view we have right now, however, I feel that Official responses should stand out, even if they're in a collapsed reply. Once we get more activity, one "gold text" response might not even be seen, unless others are constantly bringing it up in conversation. I feel there should be more attention to Employee responses.

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            • I don't understand this feedback. When I replied to your comment, people could clearly see that there are replies to it (view the reply counter and the button to show replies). While it is true that nobody has to look at the replies already made to you before replying as well, this has always been true. In a flat view, this happens even more often, because there isn't an easy way to see all the replies made to you. This way, if you care what people have already said in response to your post, it is right there, in reply order. There are a few advantages of a flat threading model, but this is not one of the places where it holds the advantage.

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              • I bet some fix will come in the future.

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              • I just want comments to be listed in chronological order from oldest to newest. Why would I want to see the most recent parts of a discussion first?

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                • I would say this can be resolved by having employee comments always visible.

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                • Honestly, this new format was confusing to me as well, but only because I'm not used to it. Structuring the main on-topic responses to be immediately visible makes more sense if you think about it. I think we're all just a little self-obsessed when we obsess over seeing what someone responded to our thread.

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                  • Perhaps when a Bungie employee responds to a comment, the ">1 Reply" can turn a different color to notify everyone that an employee has posted there?

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                  • I agree. There's a reason why the typical forum template of replies ordered from oldest to newest is so widely used. It works and fosters discussion.

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                  • In your scenario, the employee is using the system improperly. If employee or anyone else for that fact replies to your comment, it is directed towards you, the OC. If your comment helps out the OP, and an employee confirms this, then they should comment on the OP and somehow reference that you had it right, not make fact of this in a reply to your comment. 1. Comments are directed at the OP. 2. Replies are directed at the Original Commenter (OC). 3. The system b.net has now works great, and isn't broken, so shouldn't be fixed.

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                    • Edited by A 3 Legged Goat: 2/8/2013 8:36:22 PM
                      Here are the issues I and others have with replies: 1. Nobody knows who replied to a comment (except the OP and the person who was replied to) until they expand it 2. Sometimes comments don't go to the top if they're replied to 3. A thread could have 100 posts but only 5 actual comments, meaning you'll have to expand all 5 posts individually to read bits and pieces of the conversation. This means threads take longer to read. 4. Replies are all out of order because you can reply to each individual reply within replies. I'm positive most of this is by design, and I do understand where Bungie was going with them. I like being able to take certain comments to the next level and have micro conversations, but I think it becomes a huge problem when all discussion is under certain comments and scattered all over the place. It interrupts the flow of conversation and makes it both inconvenient and confusing to read. I'd venture to say that it's one of the biggest turn offs of the forums at the moment. Why do we even still have the quote feature if it's been rendered next to useless because of this now? I think the web team should invest in an overhaul of the quote feature so people are encouraged to converse more openly. A thread is like a classroom. Instead of people taking turns participating and answering questions the teacher asks aloud, the reply system splits the students into little groups to have their own discussions. Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing in theory, but I don't feel like it's working out. Conversation is segmented to the point where it seems easy to be left out.

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                      • It a world where these are "Questions/Answer" boards, yes, that would work best.

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                      • > See all replies Would be nice.

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                      • I see when a thread is replied to. If it's a question I asked, I don't decide not to check it anymore. Especially if I'm OP. You can see when post count increases (Like Tom said above) and you go to check what was posted. Not that hard. It's like, if I post a question on here, I'm not going to ignore after posting it because I don't feel like finding out the answer any more lol.

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                        • Another issue... I like to "drink from the firehose" (lol). When I see that a topic I've posted in has a new reply, I like to go in and see what was added to the discussion. On many occasions, however, I open the thread an am unable to find the new post, because it is buried in a reply chain. In order to find it, I now need to go back to the forum listing and click on the name of the poster who made the reply (assuming it has updated by this point), which will then take me directly to their post.

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                        • Unless the Bungie employee "flashes their badge" and that will change the entire topic to have a golden septagon. At least as I understand it, employees have that option. I don't know if the option exists in replies as well as OP's they make. But since your question is clearly stated in the OP, and you properly tagged your OP. If 3 months from now someone is that intent on performing a search rather than asking the same question again, that thread could be found and read for the solution/answer. Or is your point that because the thread isn't flat, it "hides" content that otherwise would be found by a visual scan of the flat thread?

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                          • Going off what Recon said, how about making a specific tool for employees to pin an answer right under the OP for official responses? Isn't that kind of what Yahoo answers does (I know Yahoo answers is a cesspool, shut up)? There, the best answer is moved to the top, but here, official answers get pinned.

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                          • This is one of a few problems. Answers and posts are hidden and it feels like I'm inflicted with "tunnel vision" whenever I'm replied to in a thread.

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