All classes have there ups and downs. I'm not that good at PvP but I find them all getting me the same amount of kills. But I do like the warlocks and titans super BC if I really want at least one kill there's no prob there.

Play all classes. I can confirm titian is weakest in pvp. Shotgun > SC. Specing in toughness does nothing in pvp ( nerfed after beta) FOH worst super for multi kill. Jump< blink. Nads are ok but nothing overpowered there. Melee is weaker than other to classes due to range. Delete post and git gud.

[quote]1 - Titans can have a max health stat in the game of around the 203-204 mark I believe ( this would be fine if the Titan wasn't as mobile as the Warlock and Hunter, but they are, so it's an issue).[/quote] Well, thats what everyone wanted to begin with. titan being a tank, warlock have fast regen and hunters are fast. titan can survive the hunter tripmine with like 1-2hp left but only if you use full armor. BUT -> if you go full armor you wont have much agility = you are slower than the other 2 classes. Or what exactly do you understand by mobility? want them to be 30% slower? also: the few extra hp are only noticeable in a few encounters like the tripmine or 2headshot + dot thorn combo. if you get attacked by tlw, suros or almost everythign else you wont even notice it. [quote]2 - as stated previously, Titans can run at the same speed as both Hunters and Warlocks in game.[/quote] hunters and warlocks can have full armor too... ^^'' [quote]3 - The shoulder charge... I shouldn't even have to mention that.[/quote] true. but in the end everyone carries fusion and shotgun, i have no clue how you die to this. (or at least so often that you need to talk about it. most people that use shoulder charge are at the 6. or 5. place anyway, unless they are some very good players) also hunters have the "backstab 1 hit kill" which also one hit kills when you hit another guy in the face. happens to me all the time. and warlocks have enough other cool perks such as having the purple balls which follow you everywhere, being able to carry another greande (ability perk, not exotic armor perk like titan) and the awesome fusion grenades. [quote]4 - Titans have the Greatest jump in the game, which along with the sprint for a 'bulky' class seems a bit, odd Imo.[/quote] depends. the jet-pack / lift sure is nice, but if you want to jump and shoot efficient the hunters jump is the best. warlock has the worst jump imo. but hunters and warlock have blink so... yeah. (also the titans catapult perk is broken / doesnt work correctly.) [quote]5 - Titans arguably have the best grenades in the game, especially when coupled with the double nades gained from the AT chest.[/quote] ehh... the flash bang grenade is great, but it has almost no range and is more of a pve grenade. lightning grenade is definitly the best the titan got. impulse or pulsegrenade or however its called is a joke. the first explosion deals about 120~ dmg. every other "pulse", "wave" or "explosion" deals 60~40dmg. you must be a real retard or already wounded to get killed by it. the magnetic grenade is crap. it has the ability to stick and destick the next moment. or it follows its target 1sec and then goes "meh." and just flies by. supressor grenade is actually pretty good, a bit limited range but the effect is awesome, depending if it works or not. sometimes it cancels radiance and bladedancer / gunslinger status and sometimes it doesnt. [quote]6 - The perk which allows you to run with a shield in front of you 'juggernaut' is really dirty, you're basically unbeatable if you run it with a shotgun.[/quote] never used it but... shoot him from the side, or shoot his feet?^^ the shield doesnt block much dmg and after he stops you can blast him off into eternity too. [quote]7 - "The fist of panic" I understand all supers are supposed to be powerful, but if I double jump in the air and are still in the hit range of it, it's a little ridiculous.[/quote] i understand all this arguing about hulk smash being a ground pound but... nova bomb works exactly the same, it just can be thrown and has a greater range. if everyone could just double jump out of the fist of panic it would be even worse than it is now. (note; im more talking about getting 2-3 kills, not wasting it by panic kill 1 guy. reaching 2 or 3 guys and kill them with the fist can be more difficult than you think, if you need to run trough 2 fusions and a suros.) in the end... i feel honored that we finally talk about us titans after all the "WARLOCK OP PLZ NERF" and "HUNTER SO FLASHY PLS NERF" bitching, but the only valid point you made is shoulder charge... and a shotty or AR is a simple counter of that. all classes have their up and downs but they have 1 in common; everyone has cheap abilities.

I would disagree with you sir. Because: 1. Only defender titans can get the maxes hp, and not many of those are in crucible. Hunters are fast, warlocks can get their oh back really quick. Balance. 2. Irreverent. Also bladedancers have the potential to run the fastest. 3. Shotgun / fusion rifle. Solved that 4. Blink says hi. We can tend to be a target if we use lift. 5. Axion bolt and bladedancer seeker grenades. Yes lightning grenade w/ armamentarium is pretty good. Slight advantage but still got those I listed by locks and hunters. 6. Juggernaut is not all that great. Can shoot him from the side or all he has to do is stop and he's vulnerable. Also it doesn't soak up that much damage. 7. Not sure why it's called Fist of panic. I use exotic helm to fly high in the air and direct my path to a control node strategically on whoever is trying to cap it. #superman There's my rebuttal

Dear Bungie, please nerf Rocks. Paper is ok. Sincerely: Scissors

Stopped reading when you said titans move as fast as hunters.

All classes are balanced.

Those are interesting points... Guess I never really noticed. Too busy cleaning Titan blood off my blade.

I just leveled my Titan to 24. I entered said crucible with no idea what to expect from my Titan. I shoulder charged the first guy I came across... it -blam!- him. I smiled to myself and thought no wayyy did that work that great. I proceeded to do it again, and again, and again, and again. I had maybe 5 weapon kills and 15 shoulder charge kills. Not over powered, just under used by everyone😲 😂

1- Titans are not as mobile as hunters and warlocks. The extra health only makes a noticeable difference if you build full armor and nothing else. 2- sprinting speed is irrelevant; that's not an ability unique to any class. You would think, without ever playing the game, that a Titan should have a stronger melee than a warlock or hunter (because, you know, they're giant tanks of muscle) but that's not the case. 3- shoulder charge is exclusively a CQB weapon. If you're not prepared to deal with it, then stay away from CQB situations. 4- I would argue that blink is far more useful. You can actually use blink in a firefight in addition to using it for mobility. Both hunters and warlocks have it too. 5- have you ever seen a warlock using radiance with all those grenades? 6- again, a CQB tactic. Don't run blindly around corners and this won't be a problem for you. 7- pretty sure Titans have (relatively) the weakest supers in pvp. Hunters and warlocks both have a potential for more kills with their supers. Also, nova bomb has the same vertical column when it hits. Again, stay away from corners (and don't bunch up) and this isn't a problem. Seems to be a recurring theme here. Don't stay in a CQB situation if you aren't prepared for someone to use CQB tactics because, [b]surprise,[/b] you're going to lose every time.

All classes are OP. It depends whose using it. The only ussue with Crucible are fusion rifles.

I agree When I jump in the air when somebody goes fist of panic I should not die

Warlocks can self revive and hunters can either become unstoppable death machines with Blade Dancer or one shot multiple people with their super. Fist of Havoc has to be planned well to be effective at all. Bubble is good for some situations but not much outside of Control. Shoulder charge being able to one shot squishier classes is a bit much, but I think the other two classes have far more powerful abilities in PvP.

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You don't have a titan subclass. You have two hunters. And the fact that you are complaining about titans while playing a hunter makes you a scrub. Any top player will tell you Titans are shit for pvp.

Bubble + fusion rifle + good timing = many kills. I love my titan.

Who cares? The Crucible is littered with Bladedancers. We need more titans to balance them out.