I'm more than up for trying to beat CE legit. I just need to find a team willing to run with someone who is fairly new to the raids. My experience so far on my 4 total runs on VOG is that if things go rough someone ends up quitting or getting ticked off and alot of times the new people get blamed even though they're holding their own while the experienced guys are messing up. So if I am able to find a team like that, I will definitely run through CE. I just don't know how many of those are out there.