I've noticed as of late that it's getting harder and harder for me to find a group of people who are willing to play through the raid on hard as intended, instead of using game exploits to beat the Templar and Atheon. While you are free to play the game however you like, please explain to me what is the point of obtaining level 30 raid gear and weapons when all you are going to do is exploit the raid bosses for loot? Your level in Destiny indicates your time invested in the game, not your skill This is why you see high level players complaining on the forums that the Iron Banner is broken because they get killed by a level 8. When in reality that level 8 is simply just a better player because he spends his time actually playing the game, not sitting in a raid waiting for the Warlock in your group to knock Atheon off the ledge so you can get your Vex Mythoclast. If there is anyone out there who actually plays the raid for the challenge, one of the few actual challenging things in Destiny, hit me up on Xbox One, gamertag: SciA enjoy the game