Yeah I was playing today and was getting tore up by some lvl 15s and 17s with rare rifles. Now I'm the first to admit that I'm mediocre at PvP but I was at least expecting to eat some faces with red death and suros regime. Getting mowed down by skilled level 30s with mythoclasts would be less demoralizing than sub 20s with max rof autorifles. Was not impressed.