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由TheQ5编辑：
4/4/2014 3:51:59 AM
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I will never understand why Christians feel like their religious freedoms are being trampled on. It's simply not true. If anything, they're trampling on the religious freedoms and rights of many other groups of people although they either A) don't realize it, or B) don't give a damn.
This is just one more example of how far the USA has fallen in terms of being the Land of the Free. It's the Land of the Free so long as you're a corporation, an ultra-rich person, or a lobbyist. The common people? We're all screwed over and left by the wayside. Gotta love this new status quo.
And don't get me started on how heinously the separation of church and state has been defiled. It is sickening. We're becoming a theocracy.
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由TheQ5编辑： 4/4/2014 11:00:33 PMI never said America is a theocracy. I stated "We're becoming a theocracy." When politicians campaign on Christian ideals, how they'll bring religion back to the nation, conduct prayer breakfasts, many Republicans say that the country is a Christian nation, etc. then it is pretty damn obvious that we are becoming a theocracy? Do I need to elaborate? Also, I can't believe my above post triggered this "debate". I should do this stuff more.
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If you think we're becoming a theocracy now, you obviously have no idea on how bad it was in the past, and if you deny the overwhelming progress that's been made to make this country a more religiously neutral society, you need to read a history book.
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Again, you have partially misconstrued my words. I am not ignorant of history, although your condescension on that matter is adorable. I also never denied the overwhelming progress our society has made. All I said is that we are becoming a theocracy. You're reading far too much into my words. However, if you honestly think that this country is somewhat religiously neutral, then you need to read a sociology book. 78.4% of Americans identify as Christian. Other religions account for 4.7%. Non-affiliated (atheist, agnostic, etc.) make up 16.1%. Thus, my notion that our country is mostly ruled by Christian dogma and makes up a HUGE majority of lobbyists, legistlators, special interests, etc. is quite on target with the process of a nation becoming a theocracy. My statistics on religion in the USA: [url]http://religions.pewforum.org/reports[/url]
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[quote]Again, you have partially misconstrued my words. I am not ignorant of history, although your condescension on that matter is adorable. I also never denied the overwhelming progress our society has made. All I said is that we are becoming a theocracy. You're reading far too much into my words. However, if you honestly think that this country is somewhat religiously neutral, then you need to read a sociology book. 78.4% of Americans identify as Christian. Other religions account for 4.7%. Non-affiliated (atheist, agnostic, etc.) make up 16.1%. Thus, my notion that our country is mostly ruled by Christian dogma and makes up a HUGE majority of lobbyists, legistlators, special interests, etc. is quite on target with the process of a nation becoming a theocracy. My statistics on religion in the USA: [url]http://religions.pewforum.org/reports[/url][/quote] I understand your position however you are not taking into account that the American government has been increasingly secular in its policies and even though there might be a few things happen like in Mississippi does not mean we are becoming a theocracy. Saying that only shows paranoia on your part. You also don't seem to really understand what a theocracy really entails because if you did, you'd realize that we are nowhere near to that point. I was meaning religiously neutral to describe the official stance the US government has taken over the past few decades. Yes, the population is overwhelmingly Christian but that does not mean the policies of the government only serve Christians. Sure some might, but we've been headed in the direction of religious inclusiveness for a long time, something you seem to overlook. If a car started in Florida and is heading towards Chicago, you wouldn't say it's going back towards Florida just because it's only in Georgia. You say that we are becoming a theocracy when we have been progressing in the opposite direction for quite some time now. There are also a large amount of people criticizing the US for becoming more and more atheistic, yet the thing about it is that both sides of the argument (including yours) are only based on paranoia. The thing I don't understand about your logic is that you recognize our history and the progress that we've made, yet you still assert we are reverting back to the more theocratic type of government that was evident in decades past when the laws that have been passed throughout that time say otherwise. And no, I'm not putting words in your mouth on this one because that's really what you are saying.
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Why is it always about christians? When was christianity mentioned in this bill? Now you know the answer to [quote]I will never understand why Christians feel like their religious freedoms are being trampled on[/quote] Because you people always make it about christians.
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But it is about Christians. [quote]Senate Bill 2681 is called the Mississippi Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and its main sponsor is Republican Sen. Phillip Gandy of Waynesboro, a Baptist pastor.[/quote] [quote]"It protects Christians in the state from discrimination," Rep. Andy Gipson, R-Braxton, who's a Baptist pastor, told his House colleagues.[/quote] [quote]Jimmy Porter, executive director of the Christian Action Commission, which is the lobbying arm of the state's influential Southern Baptist convention; and the Rev. David T. Tipton Jr., superintendent of the Mississippi District of the United Pentecostal Church, signed a letter left on senators' desks Tuesday.[/quote] [quote]Tony Perkins, president of the Washington-based conservative group Family Research Council, praised the bill.[/quote]
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Thank you, someone actually responds and gives an answer. But i still point to this [quote]substantial burden on[b] religious practices[/b],[/quote] This bill does not only encompass Christianity, it also allows ANY other religion to do exactly the same. Yet people are making it seem like it ONLY allows christians to do it, when that is not true.
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由Monday编辑： 4/4/2014 4:41:18 AMRemind me again when any other religion, in America, has made strides to deny rights/opportunities to same sex couples, or other minority groups. Please, tell me when the last time a Jewish, or Muslim, or Wiccan sect worked to do so.
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[quote]Those Christians that are trying to deny rights to people are not true Christians. The word of God teaches to spread love and accept people for who they are; and sadly, they are refusing to abide by those teaches[/quote] Great. They consider themselves as Christians, they label themselves as Christians, they are the representatives of the religion. Most of the remaining states with same-sex marriage bans have strong Christian roots and are the same places where Interracial Marriage bans, also done by Christian groups, were last remaining. You can say they are not Christians, but most say otherwise.
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So what of Islamic terrorists? They consider themselves Muslim, they label themselves as Muslim, so are they representatives of the religion? Just because somebody claims to be something that does not mean they are that. Yeah, the states that have gay marriage bans may have strong "Christian" ties but that does not mean it is a clear representation of all Christians
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[quote]So what of Islamic terrorists? They consider themselves Muslim, they label themselves as Muslim, so are they representatives of the religion? Just because somebody claims to be something that does not mean they are that. [/quote] They are extremists, just as these Christians are extremists. That does not make them not a Christian or a Muslim - they just take the Bible to the maximum. [quote]Yeah, the states that have gay marriage bans may have strong "Christian" ties but that does not mean it is a clear representation of all Christians[/quote] Okay.
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由Monday编辑： 4/4/2014 4:52:33 AM[quote]Show me in this law where it says that gays can't marry. [/quote] This isn't about marriage, but if you want to go there, yes. Your state is one of the handful who still has a Constitutional amendment that bans same-sex marriage across the board. Stay proud of those archaic beliefs.
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Marriage is already banned in your state - you can't get discriminated much more in that factor. The discrimination this law could lead to would be: Police Officer refusing to intervene in a domestic abuse case involving a gay couple because he does not recognize their relationship. Or doctor refusing to treat the child of an LGBT couple because he does not believe in that. Shit like that. You know, horrible shit.
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由Elrond Hubbard编辑： 4/4/2014 4:36:36 AMChristians are mainly supporting it, though. EDIT: To clarify, of course I don't mean [i]all[/i] Christians. They're the only group that's discriminatory enough to actually want the "rights" granted by this bill. And the only reason they're even passing it is in a last-ditch effort to impede on the rights of same-sex couples. This is a short-term law that'll be gone when same-sex marriage stops being an issue.
