On hunter they are lmao the other classes not so much because Titan will pretty much always just run syntho. Warlock has better options for actual exotics. But Hunters have so many absolutely cranked combos.

They aren’t complete crap on hunter but everything is overshadowed by celestial. The calibans/synthos that everyone sweats so hard is not great/borderline suicide in true endgame. It will always get taken off or swapped out at bosses blah blah. It’s cool to Rollie pollie and explode -blam!-. But I’ll rephrase… not a single exotic class item has created its own meta for endgame. The same cannot be said about other exotics. Cool to have for fun yes… cool to farm dozens just to take them off when content gets real… ehhh. They do have a place in PVP tho, I’ll give em that.

The great thing about nighthawk is that you can loadout swap for damage and then go back to your Caliban + [whatever] combination blow build. If you’re struggling to stay alive with it, you’re playing it wrong. Shroud + Specter or Stylish is plenty enough to keep you alive. Plus you’re running recuperation and powerful attraction on top of the healing from CB kills.

Struggling to stay alive in what though? Big difference between struggling to stay alive in a normal dungeon vs a GM. If you’re locking a loadout you’re telling me you’re locking that class item over other exotics on Hunter for example? Like the ignitions are cool and synthos can build some nice damage but it’s pointless ability spam. Again… fun but nobody is missing anything not running even the best rolls on the exotic class items. The same can’t be said for other exotics imo. My point is that the community is sweating these things like they are meta defining god tier. They are accent/fun tier at best and that’s if you’re ok with giving up the fashion game haha

I’m using prismatic getaway in GMs. I’m not playing hunter in GMs.

Bra… EXACTLY haha that’s my point in a nutshell. If we are talking meta THAT is the meta. Class items are just extra gear compared to the crème de la creme builds

There are the thumbs sticking out, Caliban + Synthoceps on Hunter or Assassin/Inmost + Synthoceps on Titan for instance, but I agree. Most of them are not worth the pain in the butt it takes to obtain them.