[quote]lol just use a different subclass 4head[/quote] Bro what The arc rework is genuinely kinda bad. At least speaking for titans, thunderclap is upsettingly garbage in the grand scheme of things, knockout is still kinda awkward and bad, juggernaut is for PvP. The grenades are…. Okayish? But there’s no fun in dumping into a grenade build for a subclass whose entire identity is supposed to be punching things. The supers are still garbage and thundercrash still 100% entirely relies on Falling Star to be useful. Jolt and amplified just aren’t strong enough to carry the subclass.

[quote] Jolt and amplified just aren’t strong enough to carry the subclass.[/quote] then use a different subclass dude, you're relying on the subclass buffs to help you, change class

are you being stupid on purpose?

You relying on jolt and amplified to carry as you just said, that's not a subclass problem that's a skill issue, use a different subclass if it's so hard for you

I never complained that it wasn't fun or even remotely unviable. People like you always blaming it on the persons attitude gloss over the idea of gameplay balance that Bungie is trying to achieve. I'm saying what makes you pick Arc out of all the others besides 'fun'? People only bring Arc mostly on endgame for their Super but if it doesn't offer much specialty in endgame then theres bound be less usage-- which was the same case with arc before. If other subclasses can stand alone better than arc, then where is the balance there? Im not saying its far but its definitely still a tier below the others especially in terms of synergy with weapons, exotics, and even teammates. Your solar hunter can radiant and heal grenade you. Your void titan can overshield you. Your stasis warlock can freeze champions. What does Arc bring to the table that make you want them on your team besides that thundercrash?

[quote]People like you always blaming it on the persons attitude gloss over the idea of gameplay balance that Bungie is trying to achieve. [/quote] Because it IS an attitude problem, you're talking about balance but you want arc subclass to have heals too? Cant have 12 support subclasses bro [quote]I'm saying what makes you pick Arc out of all the others besides 'fun'? People only bring Arc mostly on endgame for their Super but if it doesn't offer much specialty in endgame then theres bound be less usage-- which was the same case with arc before.[/quote] Nothing makes me pick arc out of all others beside fun because fun is the main reason, the artifact perks are about arc so I'm gonna run arc classes to use them and have [b][i]FUN[/i][/b] but I'll use void too sometimes because thats fun, not because super damage. People only bring arc for supers because thats what they're told, as soon as aa YouTuber makes a video about the highest possible dps that's all anyone wants, wheres the fun in that? [quote]If other subclasses can stand alone better than arc, then where is the balance there? Im not saying its far but its definitely still a tier below the others especially in terms of synergy with weapons, exotics, and even teammates. Your solar hunter can radiant and heal grenade you. Your void titan can overshield you. Your stasis warlock can freeze champions. What does Arc bring to the table that make you want them on your team besides that thundercrash?[/quote] Why does a class need to bring something to the table? I'll take a chaos on a raid boss because I dont care about burst damage, I know the boss is dying either way, I like doing the super because it's FUN, you need to stop letting other people dictate your Loadout, everyones chasing the meta and now you're all miserable