The open-border, war-mongering, 47-gender, you're-all-racist-do-as-we-say Democrats. yeah...big wave a comin....

[i]That[/i]..... ....is exactly why. People are sick and tired of [i]that[/i]. That is why there has been a 20 point swing against Republicans even in the deepest of Red districts and why Republicans in Congress are “retiring” in droves. And why your Speaker isn’t even running for re-election.

What did he say wrong? All things identity politics are the democrat tent pole issues. I will never vote for a democrat again, as long as their doing this racist bull shit.

Wrong

Well shit, can't argue with that!

[quote]Its what happens when you put someone with a character disorder in The White House. [/quote] I guess we need more like him unless you also think a 270% tariff that Canada has against American dairy products is good.....

Alright, here's a canadian POV on this 270% milk tariff obsession. Don't expect any "sorry aboot that tarrif, eh?" though, I'm a french canadian and that sorry shit is a trait of my english-speaking fellow citizens. About Canada-US dairy products trade: 1) Canada specifically excludes dairy products, eggs and poultry from every trade deal it makes with [i]every [/i]country. It's not just the US, it's everyone. 2) The entire trade in dairy products between our two countries is worth less than 600 millions US$. You are being distracted with an insignificant detail of our total trade (about 700 billions US$). It speaks volumes that Trump couldn't find something more substantial to whine about on Twitter. 3) Even with tariffs (which apply only above an import quota), the US still sells Canada [i]five times[/i] more dairy products than we do to the US. You are not getting screwed here. At all. 4) We don't, of course, export a lot of dairy products to the rest of the world either. All of our trade partners severely limit their dairy imports from us. This is only fair, we live well with this and we don't bitch about it like your king and his lackeys do. 5) Here's another shocker: contrary to what your supreme leader lets you beleive, we're not flooding the US market with milk, as the US also imposes limits on dairy imports from Canada. 10% of Canada's dairy consumption comes from the US, while the US restricts dairy imports to 3% of its domestic consumption. Your draft-dodging commander-in-chief is a hypocrite. We restrict trade on dairy, eggs and poultry because in Canada, they are under a managed supply system (i.e. production & import quotas), and free trade would destroy that. If this sounds socialist, communist even, to you, it does to us too. But we keep it because [i]it works[/i] and we're pragmatists, not ideologues. If it means not participating in global free trade of dairy, eggs and poultry, so be it. Here are some non-alternative facts about this supply management system of ours: A) This system ensures that our government never has to subsidize those farmers. Not so socialist now, right? You, on the other hand, have to heavily subsidize yours because you're overproducing like crazy, and your farmers can't sell their milk above their production costs. Your fvcked-up dairy industry is a "you" problem. Stop scapegoating us. No trade deal with us is stopping you from regulating your industry as we do... Oh, that's right: "rulez are bad, m'kay." B) The EU [i]also[/i] overproduces milk and has to subsidize its industry. In fact, everywhere the dairy industry is deregulated, it is currently in crisis because of a world production glut. Why would we want to be part of that mess? C) Domestically, we as consumers pay full, unsubsidized retail price on milk, which is higher that in the rest of the world. Despite that, no [i]consumer[/i] or social policy group has taken issue with that system, and all six parties currently represented in the House of Commons unanimously support supply management, [i]conservatives included[/i]. The only critics speaking against this are right-leaning think-tanks and "economists" who pretend to "speak for the people", but really don't. ----- tl/dr: Canada being unfair to US dairy farmers is straight-up fake news.

[quote]Alright, here's a canadian POV on this 270% milk tariff obsession. Don't expect any "sorry aboot that tarrif, eh?" though, I'm a french canadian and that sorry shit is a trait of my english-speaking fellow citizens. About Canada-US dairy products trade: 1) Canada specifically excludes dairy products, eggs and poultry from every trade deal it makes with [i]every [/i]country. It's not just the US, it's everyone. 2) The entire trade in dairy products between our two countries is worth less than 600 millions US$. You are being distracted with an insignificant detail of our total trade (about 700 billions US$). It speaks volumes that Trump couldn't find something more substantial to whine about on Twitter. 3) Even with tariffs (which apply only above an import quota), the US still sells Canada [i]five times[/i] more dairy products than we do to the US. You are not getting screwed here. At all. 4) We don't, of course, export a lot of dairy products to the rest of the world either. All of our trade partners severely limit their dairy imports from us. This is only fair, we live well with this and we don't bitch about it like your king and his lackeys do. 5) Here's another shocker: contrary to what your supreme leader lets you beleive, we're not flooding the US market with milk, as the US also imposes limits on dairy imports from Canada. 10% of Canada's dairy consumption comes from the US, while the US restricts dairy imports to 3% of its domestic consumption. Your draft-dodging commander-in-chief is a hypocrite.[/quote] That's nice, but it's not really about the tariff. The tariff is just showing the hypocrisy of Canada. [quote]We restrict trade on dairy, eggs and poultry because in Canada, they are under a [b]managed supply system (i.e. production & import quotas)[/b], and free trade would destroy that. If this sounds socialist, communist even, to you, it does to us too. But we keep it because [i]it works[/i] and we're pragmatists, not ideologues. If it means not participating in global free trade of dairy, eggs and poultry, so be it.[/quote] Aka protectionism. [quote]Here are some non-alternative facts about this [b]supply management system[/b] of ours:[/quote] Again, protectionism [quote]A) This system ensures that our government never has to subsidize those farmers. Not so socialist now, right? You, on the other hand, have to heavily subsidize yours because you're overproducing like crazy, and your farmers can't sell their milk above their production costs. Your fvcked-up dairy industry is a "you" problem. Stop scapegoating us. No trade deal with us is stopping you from regulating your industry as we do... Oh, that's right: "rulez are bad, m'kay."[/quote] NEWS FLASH!!!!! Dairymen have been dumping milk for decades to control the price of milk. [quote]B) The EU [i]also[/i] overproduces milk and has to subsidize its industry. In fact, everywhere the dairy industry is deregulated, it is currently in crisis because of a world production glut. Why would we want to be part of that mess?[/quote] Don't care about the EU [quote]C) Domestically, we as consumers pay full, unsubsidized retail price on milk, which is higher that in the rest of the world. Despite that, no [i]consumer[/i] or social policy group has taken issue with that system, and all six parties currently represented in the House of Commons unanimously support [b]supply management,[/b] [i]conservatives included[/i]. The only critics speaking against this are right-leaning think-tanks and "economists" who pretend to "speak for the people", but really don't.[/quote] Why do you keep calling it "supply management" when it's protectionism? ----- [quote]tl/dr: Canada being unfair to US dairy farmers is straight-up fake news.[/quote] Lol, this isn't about the dairy farmers. Calling out Canada's outrageous tariff on dairy products that they use for protectionism shows their hypocrisy in this matter. Trump is trying to raise tariffs to even the trade defict (which is $17.5 billion in favor of Canada) and to encourage more domestic growth. Canada did and is doing this with their dairy tariff all while criticizing Trump for wanting to do the same thing here. Why is it ok for one contry to raise tariffs to protect their domestic industries but not ok for another to do the same?

[quote]That's nice, but it's not really about the tariff. The tariff is just showing the hypocrisy of Canada.[/quote] And predictably, the goalposts just moved. Damn. Let's kick it in anyway: your use of the dairy tariffs as an example is a straw man, ergo no hypocrisy on our part was demonstrated by you. That's why the nice explanation is relevant. [quote]Aka protectionism.[/quote] Not quite. The tariffs themselves are protectionism, that's a given. But supply management is an economic system, and a matter of internal policy, of national sovereignty which you guys have no business meddling into. Unfortunately, it [i]is [/i]incompatible with free trade, hence why we do not participate in ANY MUTUAL free trade with ANY nation on these products. It's [i]reciprocal [/i]and we accept that. Hypocrisy? That word doesn't mean what you think it means. [quote]Again, protectionism[/quote] Once more, supply management [i]is not[/i] protectionism, although it [i]does [/i]require it when dealing with countries that do not regulate supply, or who heavily subsidise production (like the US). In this case, as the protectionist measures are reciprocal, there is no hypocrisy. You also limit our dairy exports to you, and we're not all butthurt on Twitter about it. Furthermore, if we ever did accept free trade on dairy/eggs/poultry, you would have to stop subsidising it. And we both know you're never going to agree to that. [quote]NEWS FLASH!!!!! Dairymen have been dumping milk for decades to control the price of milk.[/quote] Not here. Because our system [i]works[/i]. Our prices are under control, we don't overproduce, we don't have a surplus of cows consuming energy and resources and farting greenhouse gases just to produce milk we'd have to safely dispose of because we couldn't sell it. Meanwhile, last year, the US dumped about 100M gallons of unsold milk, farms are going tits-up left and right in Wisconsin, and insolvency is driving many farm owners to suicide. That kind of misery exists to various degrees everywhere supply management of dairy products is absent. Ain't deregulation efficient, eh? Protectionism? Why would we NOT want to protect our farmers from THAT? [quote]Don't care about the EU[/quote] Your orange -blam!- of a president sure does. He started a trade war with them too. Besides, I mentioned it to show you that we treat all trade partners equally WRT that, and they do the same to us. Free trade doesn't have to include everything. [quote]Why do you keep calling it "supply management" when it's protectionism?[/quote] For the last time, because the two refer to concepts applying to different parts of the economy. Try to keep up. [quote]Lol, this isn't about the dairy farmers.[/quote] These goalposts are making me dizzy. According to that man-child with the attention span of a gerbil you elected president, it is about them too. He shamelessly uses them to get some pity capital with his base when he clearly doesn't give a shit about them. If he did, he'd look north and take notes. [quote]Calling out Canada's outrageous tariff on dairy products that they use for protectionism shows their hypocrisy in this matter.[/quote] Again, you don't know what that word means. These tariffs are not new. They've been there long before the first free trade agreement signed in 1987 (CUSFTA). And I can't help but notice that you did not comment on the fact that even with these tariffs, the US still sells us about 500M US$ of that growth hormone flavored milk (like, you're already overproducing; do you [i]really[/i] need to grow cows [i]that fast[/i] on top of it?), while we sell you only about 100M US$ of the pure stuff. You and your supreme leader picked a product where you actually have a trade surplus with us despite that protectionism. I think that's, at best, a fail, and at worst an example of [i]true hypocrisy[/i]. There, now you know what the word means. [quote]Trump is trying to raise tariffs to even the trade deficit (which is $17.5 billion in favour of Canada) and to encourage more domestic growth. Canada did and is doing this with their dairy tariff all while criticising Trump for wanting to do the same thing here.[/quote] Again, these tariffs are older than dirt and dairy was never part of any deal. We never used them to try to increase our trade balance with the US. As far as dairy goes, you do you, we do us. Steel and aluminium, however, [i]were [/i]part of these deals, deals both of our countries agreed on and [i]signed[/i]. Our preexisting tariffs (and your import quotas, mind you) on dairy are [i]legal[/i], yours on steel and aluminium [i]are not[/i]. [i]We[/i] honour our word. Your country only does so when convenient. You have absolutely no ground to stand on to lecture us about principles or scold us on hypocrisy. And the pretext for imposing steel and aluminium tariffs IS bad faith bullshit, AND an insult. "National security"? Are you going to bring up the 1812 war again? It's nothing PM Trudeau hasn't been saying publicly, privately, before, during and after the G7 summit. That son of a bitch never had any intention of signing the G7 communiqué and had planned to chose the most petty way and moment to spite us and the 5 other G7 members. And [i]he [/i]says "bad faith!"? There's nothing respectable about this man. [quote]... trade defict (which is $17.5 billion in favor of Canada)[/quote] And I wanted to come back to this one because it's another example of how easily distracted and ignorant you trumpists are. First, this is [b]minuscule [/b]considering the total export volume you have with us. It's 5.9%. It's as close to 0% as these things get. It changes over the years and some years past [i]we [/i]have the deficit. This deal is fair for both sides. You have far bigger deficits with countries with which [i]you don't even have trade deals[/i], like China. Where's Xi Jinping's "special place in hell"? Oh, that's right, Chinese state banks loan lots of dough to the Trump Organisation, while Canada actually has laws against corrupting foreign officials. That's a bummer for us eh? Second, if they were just about trade balance, no country would do free trade deals because they would be a zero-sum game. Free trade is [i]also [/i]about productivity gains for both partners. And Canada-US trade has been good to both of our countries in that regard. We're more efficient at producing aluminium and you're more efficient at building F-18s? You buy our aluminium, we buy your planes. You build the planes for cheaper, we buy them for less than what it would cost us to make them ourselves. That's the real value of free trade. That's what you and Trump don't see, because you're focusing on the wrong [i]things [/i]and the wrong [i]country[/i].

[quote] And predictably, the goalposts just moved. Damn. Let's kick it in anyway: your use of the dairy tariffs as an example is a straw man, ergo no hypocrisy on our part was demonstrated by you. That's why the nice explanation is relevant.[/quote] What "goalposts" and what "straw man"? I already knew about everything you posted. [quote] Not quite. The tariffs themselves are protectionism, that's a given. But supply management is an economic system, and a matter of internal policy, of national sovereignty which you guys have no business meddling into. Unfortunately, it [i]is [/i]incompatible with free trade, hence why we do not participate in ANY MUTUAL free trade with ANY nation on these products. It's [i]reciprocal [/i]and we accept that.[/quote] Your supply management relies on the steep tariffs. Without them it wouldn't exist. [quote]Hypocrisy? That word doesn't mean what you think it means.[/quote] You charge steep tariffs to protect canadian workers. Then complain when Trump wants to charge steep tariffs to protect American workers. That's hypocrisy. [quote]Again, protectionism[/quote] Once more, supply management [i]is not[/i] protectionism, although it [i]does [/i]require it when dealing with countries that do not regulate supply, or who heavily subsidise production (like the US).[/quote] Without protectionism there is no supply management. No matter what country you deal with. [quote]In this case, as the protectionist measures are reciprocal, there is no hypocrisy. You also limit our dairy exports to you, and we're not all butthurt on Twitter about it.[/quote] There is a big difference between protectionism (Canada) and a TRQ (America) [quote]Furthermore, if we ever did accept free trade on dairy/eggs/poultry, you would have to stop subsidising it. And we both know you're never going to agree to that.[/quote] No we wouldn't. There is no reason to stop subsidies [quote] Not here. Because our system [i]works[/i]. Our prices are under control, we don't overproduce, we don't have a surplus of cows consuming energy and resources and farting greenhouse gases just to produce milk we'd have to safely dispose of because we couldn't sell it.[/quote] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/milk-surplus-forcing-canadas-dairy-industry-to-dump-supply/article25030753/ [quote]Meanwhile, last year, the US dumped about 100M gallons of unsold milk, farms are going tits-up left and right in Wisconsin, and insolvency is driving many farm owners to suicide. That kind of misery exists to various degrees everywhere supply management of dairy products is absent. Ain't deregulation efficient, eh?[/quote] The small farms are the ones being forced out by the big farms. Small farms cannot complete with the low milk prices that the big farms can. Much like when a Walmart opens in a city the smaller businesses close down since they can't compete. [quote]Don't care about the EU[/quote] [quote]Your orange -blam!- of a president sure does. He started a trade war with them too. Besides, I mentioned it to show you that we treat all trade partners equally WRT that, and they do the same to us. Free trade doesn't have to include everything.[/quote] [quote] For the last time, because the two refer to concepts applying to different parts of the economy. Try to keep up.[/quote] They apply to the same part of the economy. Without protectionism your supply management wouldn't exist. [quote] These goalposts are making me dizzy. According to that man-child with the attention span of a gerbil you elected president, it is about them too. He shamelessly uses them to get some pity capital with his base when he clearly doesn't give a shit about them. If he did, he'd look north and take notes.[/quote] You keep saying the goalposts are changing....guess it's hard for some to keep up. [quote]Calling out Canada's outrageous tariff on dairy products that they use for protectionism shows their hypocrisy in this matter.[/quote] [quote]Again, you don't know what that word means.[/quote] Yeah, you just don't like me using it since it shows the truth here [quote]These tariffs are not new. They've been there long before the first free trade agreement signed in 1987 (CUSFTA).[/quote] No kidding?!? But the tariffs Trump wants to implement are. Try to keep up sport. [quote]And I can't help but notice that you did not comment on the fact that even with these tariffs, the US still sells us about 500M US$ of that growth hormone flavored milk[/quote] http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/ [quote](like, you're already overproducing; do you [i]really[/i] need to grow cows [i]that fast[/i] on top of it?)[/quote] You don't "grow" cows. You raise them [quote]while we sell you only about 100M US$ of the pure stuff. You and your supreme leader picked a product where you actually have a trade surplus with us despite that protectionism. I think that's, at best, a fail, and at worst an example of [i]true hypocrisy[/i]. There, now you know what the word means.[/quote] Again, it's not just about the product. Try keeping up sport. [quote] Again, these tariffs are older than dirt and dairy was never part of any deal. We never used them to try to increase our trade balance with the US. As far as dairy goes, you do you, we do us.[/quote] "Older than dirt" in an ever advancing world.... [quote]Steel and aluminium, however, [i]were [/i]part of these deals, deals both of our countries agreed on and [i]signed[/i]. Our preexisting tariffs (and your import quotas, mind you) on dairy are [i]legal[/i], yours on steel and aluminium [i]are not[/i].[/quote] They were bad deals that need to be rectified. [i]We[/i] honour our word. Your country only does so when convenient.[/quote] When has America lied? [quote]You have absolutely no ground to stand on to lecture us about principles or scold us on hypocrisy.[/quote] Says the hypocrite.... [quote]And the pretext for imposing steel and aluminium tariffs IS bad faith bullshit, AND an insult. "National security"? Are you going to bring up the 1812 war again?[/quote] I guess Canucks don't have humor anymore.... [quote]It's nothing PM Trudeau hasn't been saying publicly, privately, before, during and after the G7 summit. That son of a bitch never had any intention of signing the G7 communiqué and had planned to chose the most petty way and moment to spite us and the 5 other G7 members. And [i]he [/i]says "bad faith!"? There's nothing respectable about this man.[/quote] http://thehill.com/policy/international/391504-trudeau-says-all-g-7-members-signed-joint-statement-despite-tensions [i]"I'm happy to announce that we've released a joint communique by all seven countries," Trudeau said in closing remarks at the G-7 summit in Charlevoix, Canada. [/i] Odd....you say he has been saying Trump wasn't going to sign it yet, here is proof that says different....lol [quote]And I wanted to come back to this one because it's another example of how easily distracted and ignorant you trumpists are. [quote]First, this is [b]minuscule [/b][/quote] That's actually the US estimate. The Canadian one esimates that's it's more like $95 billion in favor of Canada. [quote]considering the total export volume you have with us. It's 5.9%. It's as close to 0% as these things get. It changes over the years and some years past [i]we [/i]have the deficit. This deal is fair for both sides. You have far bigger deficits with countries with which [i]you don't even have trade deals[/i], like China. Where's Xi Jinping's "special place in hell"? Oh, that's right, Chinese state banks loan lots of dough to the Trump Organisation, while Canada actually has laws against corrupting foreign officials. That's a bummer for us eh?[/quote] That's just it. We have a deal with Canada and are getting screwed. Time for a new deal or to be dropped. [quote]Second, if they were just about trade balance, no country would do free trade deals because they would be a zero-sum game. Free trade is [i]also [/i]about productivity gains for both partners. And Canada-US trade has been good to both of our countries in that regard. We're more efficient at producing aluminium and you're more efficient at building F-18s? You buy our aluminium, we buy your planes. You build the planes for cheaper, we buy them for less than what it would cost us to make them ourselves.[/quote] Never said it was just about the trade balance. I've said it a few times now it's about strengthening American business. Keep up sport.

270% on one sector in a trade balance that favors america. add in the fact that american dairy is heavily subsidized and has a history of being dumped on foreign markets. dumping is the act of exporting goods below the cost of production and market value resulting in damage to local economy out of line with market forces. Think of Cornielious vanderbilt offering low fair to drive out his competitors before jacking them up 2000% when hes the only game in town. this isn't about trade its about destroying alliances because he is Putin's puppet.

[b]He started this trade war. [/b] Canada retaliated in response to the tarrifs he's imposing against THEIR goods. Which is why the simplistic way in which he is trying to deal with our trade deficit...and the fact that we're getting screwed on these free trade deals....isn't going work. The world is too interconnected now. You can't fix a 21st Century problem with a 19th Century HAMMER. But you're dealing with a man who isn't particularly bright. Is lousy at taking advice from those who know more than he does (his own advisors), and where being "certain" is more important than being CORRECT. Right now he is accomplishing NOTHING....other than being an agent of Chaos...and destabilizing the network of alliances that have kept the spread of Russian and Chinese influence in check for going on 80 years. Which is EXACTLY what Moscow and Beijing wants. Us engaged in a no-win PISSING contest with Canada, Europe and our other allies.

[quote][b]He started this trade war. [/b] Canada retaliated in response to the tarrifs he's imposing against THEIR goods. Which is why the simplistic way in which he is trying to deal with our trade deficit...and the fact that we're getting screwed on these free trade deals....isn't going work. [/quote] Hey sport, ya been living under a rock? The 270% tariff against our dairy products has been in place well before all this started happening [quote]The world is too interconnected now. But you're dealing with a man who isn't particularly bright. Is lousy at taking advice from those who know more than he does (his own advisors), and where being "certain" is more important than being CORRECT. Right now he is accomplishing NOTHING....other than being an agent of Chaos...and destabilizing the network of alliances that have kept the spread of Russian and Chinese influence in check for going on 80 years. Which is EXACTLY what Moscow and Beijing wants. Us engaged in a no-win PISSING contest with Canada, Europe and our other allies.[/quote] Can you keep the pointless rambling to a minimum and stay on point?

I am staying on point. What part of "we've been getting screwed by these free trade deals" did you miss? What part of the revolving door of tariffs being placed on our exports, or threatened to be placed on our exports did you miss. I AM on point. You're living in a fantasy world if you think what he's doing is going to have ANY impact other than offending our allies, and creating chaos.

People felt the same way about Obama and how he handled things, yet they still respected the office. What strikes me about the Democratic party is they can't see, they are so bias to their own viewpoint they can't acknowledge that there may just be another way. That was their downfall before and it will be again.

Missed by a Curvature of the Earth. Trump isn't a Conservative. HE'S AN AUTHORITARIAN. The problem is that the political Right in this country is a mixture of "true" conservatives...who tend to focus more on economic issues....and authoritarians who focus more on social and international issues. What Trump is doing is offending BOTH Democrats AND ("establishment") Conservatives. Its why his poll numbers are the lowest that have been recorded since they started doing approval polling. The issue is that about one person in 4 in this country has strong authoritarian (usually follower) personality traits. So Trump will maintain a pretty solid 25-35% approval REGARDLESS of what he does. Because his antics will be seen as "strength" rather than the narcissism it actually is. They'll approve of his "shots" at various "out-groups" they don't like (authoritarian aggression)...and they won't be overly critical of the rationalizations he gives for his actions (deference to recognized authority). OTOH, the objections to him are different...but two fold like the were for Obama. You had those on the Right who objected to Obama's policies, but had no problems with the man. Then you had those who objected to Obama being WHAT he was (black)....being WHERE he was (in the White House)...and therefore had problems with whatever he did, BECASUE IT WAS HIM DOING IT. Hence the fact that the Right lost its -blam!-ing mind over "Obamacare" when it was actually based on a REPUBLICAN health-care plan put out by The Heritage Foundation in response to the single payor system proposed by the Clinton Administration back in 1992. IOW, the Right has become so blindly tribal that they REJECTED THEIR OWN IDEAS. Which goes to show you that most of the resistance to the Obama years had nothing to do with actual principle or policy. The objection to Trump is based part on policy...and part on someone who demonstrates that---time and again---he lacks the CHARACTER to wield power responsibly. I said that from the day that he announced for President, because I've watched how he's conducted himself in public life since the 1980s. His efforts to obstruct the investigation into Russian interference in the election is not only a self-serving effort to protect himself and his family, its an abdication of his responsibility to protect this nation from its enemies as C-in-C. He habitually flouts the standards of good government...and the more layers you peel away from his "family business" the more and more evidence you see of someone who ahs been compromised by Russia, because he's basically been laundering money for Russian organized crime for decades. But you won't see that if you get all of your "news" from right wing media. Because they are more interested in money-making...and keeping the Right in power...than in actually confronting the truth. If you doubt me, just think how the Right would be reacting if a Democratic President had: 1. Refused to release his financial records. 2. Refused to put his businesses in trust while President. 3. Has been involved in 2 sex scandals already. 4. Is being investigated for Obstruction of Justice in the investigation of a FOREIGN POWER interfering in our election. 5. Had several people around him indicted on felony charges regaridn their actions with that same foreign power. 6. Had the office of his personal attorney RAIDED by the FBI...and looking at being indicted on felony charges. 7. While running around "pardoning" people in ways that are clearly political in motivation...and clearly being done to "signal" the people who are being investigated around him not to cooperate with the investigation because he'll pardon them if they "remain loyal". IOW, acting more like an Organized Crime boss than a President.

[b]What strikes me about the Democratic party is they can't see, they are so bias to their own viewpoint they can't acknowledge that there may just be another way. That was their downfall before and it will be again.[/b] I thought we were talking about the Democratic party and I get deflection. So Trump? Is that what you want an average opinion of? What Trump is doing is upsetting career politicians, that appear to care about nothing more retaining power. You say Trump is Authoritarian, but to the people in the area of the country where I live. We feel like he is severing authoritarian mandates that the prior administration were using to strangle us. *note: I'm talking about how most people feel. People don't trust government and they don't trust the news, so whatever "facts" are being slung at each party don't matter. It appears to be a junior high school spat, if they would just put that much energy into solving problems as they do trying to make each other look bad. Then our government has a slight chance of actually making some progress. In a nutshell people see Trump as the person who is doing his best to keep his campaign promises. The Democratic party is viewed as a entitled entity who can no longer see the problems of the common man. It is viewed as a party of the elite, more concerned with which charity to support with taxpayers money. My personal opinion is Trump was a wake up call to both parties. It's time for both parties to do some self reflection and look to fixing the government. If career polliticians are so blinded by the bubble they occupy in Washington DC then it's probably time for new blood to be brought in for both parties.

[quote]People don't trust government and they don't trust the news, so whatever "facts" are being slung at each party don't matter[/quote] ...and Trump is (in reality) LEVERAGING that distrust and 'facts dont' matter" mentality for all its worth and to his PERSONAL gain. While the people whom he is taking advantage of keep getting screwed over, because they don't take time to learn the facts and don't understand that its the very people whom they've put their trust in for the last 50 years who is screwing them over. ...and I as said in the last part of my previous post THERE IS ANOTHER WAY. But NEITHER party wants to explore it, for the VERY same reasons. We have a campaign finance system that is basically a system of LEGALIZED CORRUPTION. Where corporate money sets what topics get discussed......how they get discussed....what gets said about them....and what gets DONE about them. NONE OF WHICH WORK TO YOUR INTEREST. So you have a media apparatus that is DESIGNED to keep average people confused, and at each others THROATS regarding various "tribal" issues.....to keep you from noticing that you're all getting -blam!-ed in the ass economically. Its like the joke from the Obama Years: [i]"A corporate CEO, a union guy and a Tea Partier all sit down for lunch. A plate of a dozen cookies gets set in front of them. The corporate CEO immediately grabs 11 cookies, sticks them in his pocket. Then turns to the Tea Partier and says, "Hey. That Union thug is trying to steal your cookie." [/i] The entire dog a pony show (as Putin has figured out) is designed to keep average people divided and fighting among themselves over CRUMBS....while never stopping to ask WHY the Top 0.1% "deserves" to takes such a stupidly disproportionate measure of our wealth...when they are doing NOTHING to produce it. Productivity on a per employee basis is at HISTORIC highs. But because of these free trade agreements, there is a GLOBAL RACE TO THE BOTTOM in terms of labor costs...and the standard of living of the working class in the developed world is being DRIVEN DOWN to meet that of workers in the Third World..... ....while the Top 1%...and the top 10% with the disposable income to invest in the corporations driving this process....get richer. While everyone else finds themselves working harder and harder for less and less. The Democrats COULD go back to their roots and position themselves to fight against this process in favor of the WORKING CLASS. But the Democrats have been compromised on this CLASS CONFLICT that has defined the last 50 years of our politics....because they are slopping at the same trough of Corporate campaign money that REpublicans are. So they difference between the two Parties is their positions on these various tribal issues. Which are frankly a distraction from the real CLASS conflict that is the defining trait of our times and our REAL politics. But the corporations don't want you thinking about that....and start waving around the bloody shirts of "Class War" and "Socialism" anytime anyone dares to speak about the real con game that is being run on the average person.

I agree with this post, I'm glad you see the democrats need to go back to their roots and fight for the working class. It wouldn't hurt the republicans to look to the needs of the people who elect them either. I think the federal government has voted in too many perks for themselves. Senators should be appointed again giving states the voice like they were supposed to be. There should be term limits to stop the career politician track. The government was never meant to be a ruling class, but that seems to be what they consider themselves at this point.