Pretends the birther conspiracies and the Republican attempts to flip electoral college votes in 2008 and 2012 didn't happen. Cute.

Hillary has been hyper ventilating for weeks about "if you don't accept the election OMG THAT'S SO BAD AND SCARY AND BAD AND STUFF" "Muh recount" "muh russians" "muh electoral college" "muh actual -blam!-ing riots"

Muh pot muh kettle. Are you drunk? You are incoherent.

I'll spell it out for you. For weeks, hillary and the mainstream media have been acting like there will be a nuclear winter if Trump doesn't graciously accept the results of the election. Then, when he unexpectedly wins, many, many liberals have been unable to accept the election. I'm sorry you don't know what it means when somebody types "muh something". "Muh russians" -Russian conspiracy theories. Lol. "Muh riots" - people have rioted and destroyed property. "Muh recounts" -liberals have blasted the very idea that the voting system lacks any integrity and now this. Recount efforts in multiple states. The liberal meltdown if Trump pulled ANY of that nonsense would be almost as bad as their meltdown when hillary lost.

So you completely ignore the fact that Republicans and trump were threatening to not accept the rigged election, riot or revolt leading up to the election, including a certain congressman mentioning something about muskets. So like I said, pot kettle. If Republicans really were worried about the integrity of the election they would be supporting recounts and investigations no matter the outcome. Pot meet kettle you hipocrite.

But see, as much as there was talk about birth certificates and whatever else I don't remember republicans doing any of the following. 1) trying to forcefully disrupt any of Obamas speeches. Either in 8 years of his presidency or in his 2 campaigns.. 2) rioting because he won in 2008. 3) rioting because he won in 2012. 4) assaulting people for wearing pro-obama merchandise. Hell, I am not aware of liberals doing those things in 2000 or 2004. I don't know why they had to start this time.

That's because your memory's shiite. https://newsone.com/2077103/obama-reelection-ole-miss/ I'm going to ask again, did or did not the Republicans threaten to not accept the results, march on Washington and outright revolt?

I will say this though. There are a lot of valid reasons not to like obama. Racism is not one of them. There are a lot of positive ways to express that you don't like obama. Dropping N bombs and being disruptive is not one of them. If anyone wants to do those things and call themselves a republican they can go to hell for a few reasons. First of all, it's stupid and harmful, second of all its completely counter productive. All they managed to do was feed the narrative that Republicans just hate Obama because he's black. We should oppose Obama based on policy and principle. Side note, if a person ever gets shot dead for burning a cross on a black man's lawn or trying to lynch somebody I'm okay with that.

So, the best example of republicans being obnoxious when Obama won re election is signs and pictures being burned, and some new bombs in a racist town? The article admitted the throwing rocks at cars wasn't true... so... no assaults? Arrests? Traffic shutdowns? Property destruction? And only in one place with only, according to them, about 400 people. That's NOTHING compared to what hillary supporters have pulled off lol thanks for making my point.

Lol, Hillary supporters or anti-trumpeters? Those are not necessarily the same thing. But seriously, continue to ignore the fact that Republicans threatened to do the same shit right up until they won. Hypocrite.

https://youtu.be/HAQmJVx_si4 Here's the video again. Here's why you're a hypocrite, again. The same liberals that gave trump and Republicans shit for things that they said they MIGHT DO are fine with it happening on their side of the fence. In case you haven't noticed I consider actions to be louder than words. Further, I'm not aware of trump and or his supporters saying they were going to revolt or riot because they lost. I am aware of trump being vague about whether he would concede, but not saying anything about inciting violence. I am aware of some people saying that they believe revolt would be justified IF it turned out the election was truly "rigged" and stolen from them. Some people would consider that an act of treason against the American people. IF there was PROOF and IF that happened I think a lot of people would agree that is not the same as "boohoo we lost".

I never changed my stance or said anything otherwise. So the Republicans being so sure of voter fraud and now being against any sort of investigation is completely excusable to you?

1) I'm not opposed to a recount on principle and I don't think other republicans should be either. The jaded side of me wonders about the recount being jacked with, but that's a separate issue. 2) I am sure about voter fraud. I am sure it's a thing. I am sure it's completely naive to utterly dismiss it. BUT I am not sure to what degree it is a thing. I think there is room for debate there. 3) I think hillary and many people in the media have given trump shit for hesitating to pre-commit to accepting whatever the results were, went as far as implying he couldn't even legitimately ask for a recount if he lost. So, I think it's hypocritical for hillary and her supporters to go down that road, but I guess they have a right to do so. That's not what I find detestable. What I find detestable is the double standard and level of malice we have seen from that side. And I think those on that side, that aren't being malicious are generally being complacent.

1) agreed 2) agreed, keep in mind I still think we have high integrity in our voting (WHERE THERES EVIDENCE OR INDICATION OF IT) , but we should still investigate potential fraud and ensure measures are enough 3) Joe Walsh literally said he was going to grab his musket if Trump lost. Trump asked for folks to be ready to March on Washington. Plus countless extreme individuals that don't represent everyone.

Did he say "March on washington" or "go riot"? Because two things. A) there's a difference. We'd have every riot to March on washington... peacefully. B) if Trump is responsible for the actions of his followers so is hillary, and, for that matter, bernie. If Trump loses, and people reacted by losing their sanity I would be lamenting both any actual harm they caused, and the fact that they would be making "the rest of us" look like idiots too. My sticking point, and what I was trying to argue about yesterday, is : 1) a decent amount of people seem to have completely lost their minds when hillary lost. I know a lot of liberals took it as well as they could, though and I acknowledge that. 2) any hypothetical, threatened, or actual actions by other groups do not change the severity, or value of the people I'm talking about. 3) I don't think it was fair for you to pull the hypocrisy card the way you did. For one, you seemed to assume if the same nonsense happened on the other side I would be okay with it. I wouldnt. I did share concerns that I think a lot of people have, about "rigging" in the election. Among other things, Scott's comments in the "project veritas" videos are extremely concerning to me. Now, I bet you're thinking "James Keefe isn't credible". I would like to discuss that, but even if he isn't credible, he has Scott saying "it's easy for Republicans to say, "well you're bussing people in" well guess what, we've [i]been[/i] bussing people in for 50 years to deal with you -blam!-ing assholes and we aren't going to stop now, we're just gonna find a different way to do it" clearly and on video. I don't see how any amount of editing or skepticism can discount that.

The hypocrisy comment was primarily about your comments continuing to not acknowledge the fact that the LEADERSHIP on the right called for these very things unless they won. The fact that the right continually called the election rigged, yet now is attempting to stop recounts and investigations (you put that to bed, thank you). No, oKeef is not reliable. Borderline criminal. That said, the DNC (and RNC for that matter) need to be taken out back and put out of their misery. I'm as frustrated by their manipulation as anyone. Now voter fraud, bussing legal voters to the polling location to cast their vote is not illegal. The crux of that statement is that we don't know who that jackass was talking about. When it comes down to it though, there are Many studies and investigations that have been done over the last decade proving again and again that voter fraud is not rampant by any interpretation. So in reality, those buses were filled with legal voters.

In the interest of an olive branch here, I would like to see the DNC change. Not just in the sense of "muh conservatism I want them to be less liberal" but I think even most liberals would have liked to see the DNC maintain a more neutral position when it was bernie vs hillary. I disagree with bernie on well, a lot, but I think the treatment and preference hillary got (superdelegates) among other things, was unfair. And yes, there are things with Republicans I don't like either. One example, I want them (all of them, officials and voters) [i]to completely -blam!- off with the "muh traditional marriage" thing. Forever.[/i] I would like to see the RNC change. The GOP nearly holocausted itself just to block trump and there was serious talk of using a contested convention to "steal" the nomination from trump if he got a majority but not the 1237 number (whatever it was).

It's a mess for sure. And demonizing entire swaths of the political spectrum is only going to hurt us in the long run. We need to go into collaborative fix it mode TBH.