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原先发布于: Atheists Don't Exist....
由Eethen编辑: 10/8/2016 8:04:25 PM
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The very definition of god (or at least the Christian god) contradicts itself. "He" doesn't exist. [spoiler]And I know this is a joke. It's in the tags, I'm not stupid. Just thought I should share my opinion.[/spoiler]
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  • Howso?

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  • 由Eethen编辑: 10/8/2016 8:54:34 PM
    The christian god supposedly has 4 characteristics. I don't feel like spelling them, but they are: 1. Supernatural 2. All good 3. All knowing 4. All powerful Just looking at this, 2 and 4 contradict eachother. If you're all good, you can't be all powerful because you couldn't do everything, since you can't do things that aren't classified as good (so "bad" things). All knowing doesn't make much sense, since knowledge isn't finite. You're reading this right now. You gained knowledge that you're reading this. You gained knowledge thst you know that you are reading this, and knowledge that you have knowledge that you have knlowledge that you're reading this, and so on. Knowing everything also does not align with some passages of the bible. If he's supernatural he's immaterial, which also means that making a claim that he does exist should be more bizarre than making a claim that he doesn't. And finally, being all-powerful in itself is a paradox. Can god make a stone so big he cannot lift it? If he can make it, he isn't all powerful because he can't lift it. If he can't make it so that he can't lift it he isn't all powerful because he can't make it.

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  • 2 and 4 don't contradict each other in the proper eyes. God does everything perfect and good. In your eyes and my eyes, it may look horrible that little Jimmy died, but Jimmy died for something beyond himself. This is what God sees that we can't, all powerful and all good do not contradict especially when the one that is powerful and good cannot sin. I can't see how that's hypocritical. [spoiler]I forgot the rest of your statement :/[/spoiler]

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  • 由Eethen编辑: 10/9/2016 6:15:44 PM
    You leaped [i]right[/i] over my point without acknoledging it. Yes, I understand how death works in the eyes of a blind man. How they're dying for a "bigger cause". I'm not uneducated. What I'm saying is he can't be all powerful because he can't "sin"; if he is all-powerful, he's capable of everything.

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  • He's is all powerful and capable of bad, but never does bad, thinks bad, anything bad. He is perfect without sin. It's you can be all powerful and all knowing without acting in sin.

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  • Now now, don't go changing the definition of "all-powerful". And I love how this point is the easiest to argue so it's the only one people are approaching. And here's another one: If God is all-knowing, why do you pray?

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  • I swear I've read this same argument before. Either you stole it or you've been using it for a long time.

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  • This argument is in refutation to Aquinas' proofs for God, I believe It's very old

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  • That argument stems from a misunderstanding of the word "all-powerful." It does not mean God can do anything, it is merely describing the amount of God's power.

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  • I'm using the intended meaning of the word. If that's what it 'really means' or not, it is what is written down so it is what he is. Which makes him nonexistent. You can't go and change the story for everything to make it seem like he exists. It's not how it works.

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  • I mean, if you think you can disprove God's existence through not understanding a religion that's fine and all. I feel like that's not a great argument though.

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  • 由Eethen编辑: 10/9/2016 6:28:07 PM
    This religion was formed around a book. An old book. And guess what? This description is [u]in that book[/u]. And no, there weren't parenthesis afterwards saying (Oh, don't take the "all-powerful" part as actually being all-powerful. It means something not all-powerful even though we wrote down all-powerful). So guess what? That's what it means. All-powerful means you can do anything and have ultimate power. Which is not possible. All Christians do is rephrase what is in the bible. "Oh, sure, it says this, but it really means..." And that's [u]not[/u] how it works. You can't except a book as your religious texts and say what parts are true and what parts aren't.

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  • Wasn't formed around a book, it was oral tradition. Before reading the Bible and drawing conclusions from it you must first look at the time it was written, where it was written, and who it was written by. If you're going to read the Bible like a book and say you understand it, I can see how you might have problems.

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