I tried to play crucible last night and I was "that guy". First game I was the only one with a red bar which I didn't understand because my internet speed is great and normally my connection is green. It was terrible as I would shoot people and they wouldn't die but suddenly I would, ammo boxes wouldn't form, etc. I ended up just playing something else. Funny thing is when I have a red bar the game is terrible for me and I do terrible so I stop. Some how other people have red bars, murder everyone and win the match.

I typically run under 50ms ping. By which I mean, usually 15-25, sometimes up to 50. What most people don't seem to understand is that you don't need 30gb/s connections to play an online game. You only need 1.5 Mbps to stream HD video. I run everything fine on 2.5 down. You're welcome to tell me otherwise, but I'll tell you right now, you're wrong and you can piss off.

No, there is no dedi's for the pvp of the game for older consoles. and most do not care if their connection is up to YOUR standards of how you think it should be. most just play to play and have fun and not take it as serious as you are doing.

Killing me with a red bar connection = reported

I'm sure the unkillable red bar blade dancer wih thorn who's impossible to kill but hits you with every shot has no idea he's lagging and thinks everything is legit

I assume the vast majority of people don't know if they have a bad connection. People are connecting off of their mobile network and playing on wireless internet and wonder why the game lags. This is not the only reason, though. You can experience lag, even if you're playing on a stable, hard wired connection. I believe there are three main variables that are causing the lag. #1 - Lag on the player's end. High bandwidth does not mean you have a stable connection. Ping and jitter are the most important variables. If your family are watching Netflix or downloading films, you're probably going to see lag. Even if you have a lot of bandwidth. #2 - Horrible netcode. Kill trading is rampant. I have never kill traded this much in any other FPS. You kill someone (they have zero health), but they don't die straight away and kill you. #3 - P2P servers. One player in the lobby has to host the match. This is never going to be as stable as dedicated servers. This costs money to implement, but it's not like Activision haven't made a killing on Call of Duty and Destiny. They could easily afford to implement them, but they don't care enough to do so.

I play destiny all the time, especially crucible. I hardly see lag - nowhere near enough to complain about it like so many people do. Maybe one good player lags every 4,5 games or so...and I still will take them down more often than not so what's with all the complaining?

Whether they see it as bad or good, or they intentionally know that a bad connection gives them an advantage or not....Whatever. I Auto-report anyone with a bad connection now, and also report them for cheating if they are on/near the top player on their team, whether they are on my team or not. An unfair advantage is an unfair advantage, no matter how you look at it, and its getting a little tiring shooting someone in the face with a shotgun, only for them to reconnect to the game and end up somewhere behind me, and I end up instead dying to melee that didn't even register on my side of the connection.